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[Work Session on February 12, 2024.]
IT IS FEBRUARY 12TH, 2024, AT 4:30 P.M.I NOW CALL THE BOARD WORK SESSION TO ORDER SHAUNESE.
. AWESOME. WE'RE ALL IN ATTENDANCE.
THAT'S GOOD. THANK YOU, EVERYONE, FOR ATTENDING.
THAT GOVERNOR REYNOLDS, PROPOSED IN HER CONDITION OF THE STATE HOUSE STUDY BILL 542 AND SENATE STUDY BILL 3073, WHICH IS ALL WHICH THE MINIMUM PAY INCREASE IS PART OF THE PROPOSAL OF HER BILL.
AND I'M GOING TO START WITH, OUR FIRST PRESENTER.
I'M JUST GOING TO SPEAK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE HISTORY OF THE SALARY SCHEDULE.
I, TAUGHT HISTORY, SO I ALWAYS LIKE TO KNOW WHERE DID THIS STUFF COME FROM? HOW DID THIS START? WHEN DID IT START? AND WHY DID IT START? WHY DO WE HAVE SALARY SCHEDULES? SO, IN MY RESEARCH, I DISCOVERED THAT THEY WERE STARTED IN THE 1920S.
AND MY UNDERSTANDING AND MY RESEARCH WAS DES MOINES AND DENVER WERE THE TWO BIG SCHOOL DISTRICTS THAT REALLY STARTED THIS IN THE UNITED STATES, AND THEY WERE DESIGNED TO EQUALIZE WAGES.
AT THAT POINT IN TIME, WHITE MALES THAT TAUGHT IN HIGH SCHOOLS WERE THE HIGHEST PAID.
AND OBVIOUSLY THERE WERE CONCERNS ABOUT EQUITY AND EQUALITY IN THE PAY, FOR WOMEN, MINORITIES AND TEACHERS IN THE ELEMENTARY.
AND AT THAT TIME, MAYBE SOME JUNIOR HIGHS.
SO, THEY TRIED TO EQUALIZE THE PAY.
EVERY YEAR OF EXPERIENCE IS A STEP.
AND ON THE SALARY SCHEDULES THAT EQUATES TO MORE PAY.
AND THE OTHER PART OF THAT ARE THE LANES.
AND THAT HAS TO DO WITH EDUCATION AND ATTAINING CREDITS.
ONCE YOU GET, 15 CREDIT HOURS, USUALLY THERE'S A LANE THAT INCREASES YOUR PAY AND THEN SOME HAVE A BA 30, SOME DO NOT. SOME GO DIRECTLY TO A MASTER'S AND THEN IT COULD BE A MASTER'S AND THEN AN MA PLUS 15, MAYBE AN MA PLUS 30, SOME EVEN MAYBE AN MA PLUS 45 AND SOME SALARY SCHEDULES.
IN THE LARGER DISTRICTS ACROSS ESPECIALLY THE COLLEGE TOWNS HAVE A DOCTORAL LEVEL AS WELL.
SO THAT'S JUST KIND OF THE HISTORY ON WHERE WE'RE AT TODAY AND HOW WE GOT THERE.
THE SOME OF THE COMPLAINTS WITH IT, ARE THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S IT CREATES GAPS.
IT CREATES GAPS BETWEEN THE URBAN AND THE WEALTHY SCHOOL DISTRICTS AND THE RURAL SCHOOL DISTRICTS.
AND I THINK YOU THAT'S TRUE TODAY, WHEN YOU LOOK AT SALARY SCHEDULES AND YOU STUDY THOSE ACROSS THE STATE AND PROBABLY ACROSS THE NATION, THE HIGHER PAYING DISTRICTS ARE THE URBAN OR THE WEALTHIER SCHOOL DISTRICTS, AND THE LEAST PAYING ARE TYPICALLY THE SMALLER RURAL SCHOOL DISTRICTS.
I MEAN, THAT'S A TYPICAL I ALSO TRIED TO DO SOME RESEARCH AND FIND OUT, HOW MANY STATES ACTUALLY HAVE A SALARY SCHEDULE THAT'S THE SAME ACROSS, ALL THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS IN THE STATE.
AND I DIDN'T REALLY FIND THAT GREAT INFORMATION REALLY CONCLUSIVE.
BUT AND THIS GOES BACK TO, PROBABLY 5 OR 6 YEARS AGO, THE INFORMATION I SAW WAS THAT LIKE 16 OR 17 STATES HAVE A CONSISTENT SALARY SCHEDULE, BUT MOST OF THOSE ARE MINIMUMS. AND THEN AGAIN, THE LARGER THE WEALTHIER.
THE URBAN SCHOOL DISTRICTS TYPICALLY PAY MORE.
SO, A LOT OF STATES HAVE A MINIMUM, WHICH WE HAVE IN THE STATE OF IOWA RIGHT NOW.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT HERE AFTER A BIT.
BECAUSE THE PROPOSED LEGISLATION IS TO INCREASE THAT TO $50,000 MINIMUM.
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AND THEN THERE'S SOME OTHER, FACTORS IN THERE AS WELL, WITH 12 YEARS' EXPERIENCE THEN GOING UP TO WHAT, 62,000, I BELIEVE.SO, I JUST THAT'S A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE HISTORY ON WHERE WE'RE AT.
A LOT OF SOME OF THIS CHANGED IN 2017, BECAUSE CHAPTER 20 CHANGED.
MANY DISTRICTS ACROSS THE STATE CHOSE NOT TO.
THE LEADERSHIP IN THOSE DISTRICTS CHOSE NOT TO BARGAIN THOSE THINGS ANY LONGER.
AND SIMPLY, I WOULD SAY REALLY RATED THE MASTER CONTRACT, AND TOOK A LOT OF THE PERMISSIVE STUFF OUT. DEFINITELY.
AND, JUST LEFT IT AND PUT ALL THAT STUFF IN HANDBOOKS.
MY EXPERIENCE AND, AND MY STUDYING IT AND LISTENING TO OTHER PEOPLE THAT HAVE MADE THE MOVE AWAY FROM SALARY SCHEDULES IS IT'S KIND OF A SLIPPERY SLOPE. PEOPLE LIKE, CONSISTENCY, CONSISTENCY.
AND THEY LIKE PREDICTABILITY AND ESPECIALLY EDUCATORS.
SO, THE, THE BAD PART OF IT IS THAT WHEN YOU HAVE A SALARY SCHEDULE AND YOU AND I THINK WE'RE GOING TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS IS IF YOU HAVE A I'M JUST THROWING OUT A NUMBER, A 3% INCREASE IN SALARIES, THAT DOESN'T MEAN EVERYBODY GETS A 3% INCREASE.
THAT MEANS OVERALL THERE'S A 3% INCREASE IN SALARIES.
TEACHERS, TYPICALLY GET A HIGHER PERCENTAGE RAISE THAN PEOPLE THAT ARE AT THE BOTTOM, MEANING THERE, YOU KNOW, BEEN HERE A LONG TIME, 20 PLUS YEARS, AND THEY MIGHT HAVE A MASTER'S OR MASTER'S, PLUS THEY TYPICALLY GET LESS OF A RAISE PERCENTAGE WISE THAN THE PEOPLE ON THE LOWER END OF THE SALARY SCHEDULE.
SO THAT'S A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE HISTORY OF IT.
AND KIND OF WHERE WE'RE AT TODAY, WHAT DO PEOPLE DO INSTEAD OF THE, THE, THE TRADITIONAL SALARY SCHEDULE? THEY, THEY PUT PEOPLE IN WHAT THEY CALL TIERS AND THERE'S LOTS OF DIFFERENT WAYS TO DO IT.
I KNOW SOME LOCAL, SMALLER SCHOOL DISTRICTS DO IT.
BUT WHEN THE FRONT END IS LOADED, WHAT? YOU KNOW, WHAT THAT DOES TO THE BACK END OR THAT MORE EXPERIENCED, MORE EDUCATED TEACHERS THAT SOMETHING'S GOT TO GIVE WHEN YOU DO THAT, WHEN YOU PUT IT IN THE TIERS.
THEY JUST TOOK OUT THE SALARY SCHEDULE AND THEY SIMPLY PUT PEOPLE IN TIERS.
AND SO, A 3% INCREASE FOR ONE IS A 3% INCREASE FOR ALL.
AND SOME OF THEM HAVE EVEN PUT SOME OTHER THINGS IN THEIR PERFORMANCE-BASED PAY AND THOSE THINGS.
AND AGAIN, THAT'S, THAT'S ALSO TRICKY.
THAT'S ALSO A PRETTY SLIPPERY SLOPE.
AND SOME ARE, ARE PAYING MORE FOR DEPENDING ON WHAT YOU TEACH.
FOR EXAMPLE, MATH AND SCIENCE.
SOME SCHOOL DISTRICTS ARE STARTING TO PAY THEM MORE, BECAUSE THOSE POSITIONS ARE HARDER TO FILL.
I MEAN, EVEN THIS DISTRICT IN SIOUX CITY, WHAT WE DID, I MEAN, WE PAID SOME, SOME BONUSES FOR HARD TO FILL SPOTS, RIGHT? I MEAN, WE DID THAT FOR, FOR RECRUITING PURPOSES.
SO, IT'S, THAT'S KIND OF THE HISTORY AND WHERE WE'RE AT TODAY.
SO, I JUST WANTED TO BECAUSE I'M ALWAYS INTERESTED IN THE HISTORY AND HOW, HOW DID WE GET HERE AND WHY DID WE DO WHAT WE DO? I'M NOT ADVOCATING TO CHANGE.
I'M JUST GIVING YOU THE HISTORY OF IT.
SO JUST EVERYONE IS CLEAR ON THAT.
SO, THANK YOU, DOCTOR LEMOINE.
NEXT UP IS GOING TO BE, DIRECTOR GREENWELL.
HE'S THE ONE THAT PUT TOGETHER THE PACKETS THAT YOU HAVE IN FRONT.
I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION TO ASK, MR. GREENWELL. DO YOU WANT THEM TO WAIT UNTIL YOU'RE DONE TO ASK QUESTIONS, OR DO YOU WANT THEM TO ASK AS YOU GO? INTERRUPT. INTERRUPT AS FREQUENTLY AS YOU LIKE.
OKAY. YOU GUYS HEARD IT, RIGHT? SO, YOU ALL KNOW THAT, ONCE I CALL A TIME OUT, UNTIL YOU CALL A TIME OUT, AND DIRECTOR GREENWELL, HE'S GOING TO BE TALKING, AND HE'S GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE IDENTIFY THE KEY COMPONENTS OF THE SALARY SCHEDULE AND THE IMPACT THE TEACHER SALARY SCHEDULE HAS FROM YEAR TO YEAR.
IDENTIFY THE DIFFERENT WAYS THAT THIS CAN IMPACT THE TEACHER SALARY.
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SO, THIS THIS IS A VERY INFORMATIVE WORK SESSION.SO, EVERYONE HAS AN IDEA OF WHAT THIS LEGISLATION MIGHT DO FOR OUR DISTRICT AND FOR OUR TEACHERS.
AND AT THAT POINT IN TIME, DIRECTOR GREENWELL, YOU'RE UP.
OKAY. CHAD, DO YOU HAVE A POINTER? SO, WE CAN YOU MAKE THAT? CAN YOU EXPAND THAT JUST A LITTLE BIT AS BIG AS I CAN GET IT, I THINK.
THAT'S KIND OF THAT'S PRETTY IMPOSSIBLE.
YOU CAN'T JUST DO AN EXPANSION.
BUT SHE DID PUT COPIES ON EVERYONE'S.
YEAH, BUT THE AUDIENCE CAN'T SEE IT.
THE AUDIENCE CAN'T SEE IT AT ALL.
THESE AREN'T PRIVATE, ARE THEY? NO, THEY'RE PUBLIC DOCS.
THEY'RE OUT ON THE WEB. THEY'RE OUT ON OUR SITE.
ALL RIGHT, WELL, YOU HAVE A POINTER, YOU HAVE A LASER POINTER, I CAN ADVANCE IT FOR YOU.
I CAN'T HEAR YOU. I WILL MAKE COPIES, I CAN'T.
NO, I NEED A POINT. I DON'T KNOW IF WE DO, I DON'T.
YOU'RE NOT CHARGING FOR THOSE PAPERS.
SO, I MEAN YOU CAN. WE'VE GOT SOME DISCRETIONARY BUDGET STUFF.
RIGHT? I LOVED ONE OF THOSE POINTERS.
I LOVE POINTER, JUST FOR EVERYBODY WHO MIGHT BE LISTENING ONLINE.
WE HAVE A SERIES OF SCHEDULES.
SCHEDULE ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, 55A AND FIVE B, AND THEN A COUPLE OF THE DOCUMENTS BEHIND IT.
WE'LL TALK ABOUT EVERY $100 CHANGE AND WHAT WE CALL THE BASE GENERATOR AND THEN THE LONGEVITY.
BUT STARTING OUT ON SCHEDULE ONE, WHICH THIS IS HISTORICALLY WHAT I CALL THE THE INDEX TABLE.
THIS IS FOR THE BASE SALARY CALCULATION.
ANOTHER TERM IN THE IN THE CODE IS BASE WAGES.
SO THIS IS WHAT WE CALL THE BASE GENERATOR HERE.
BASE GENERATOR EQUAL WAGE RIGHT HERE.
AND SO THE WAY OUR OUR SALARY STRUCTURE WORKS IS THERE'S REALLY THREE COMPONENTS OF THAT.
AND WE DIVIDE IT EQUALLY AMONGST ALL TEACHERS.
SO, FOR EXAMPLE, I THINK THIS CURRENT YEAR, WE HAD ROUGHLY 9.5 OR $9.6 MILLION.
THEN WE HAVE ANOTHER PART CALLED LONGEVITY.
AND IN THIS SALARY STRUCTURE ON THIS FIRST PAGE, THE ITEMS THAT ARE IN PINK TOWARDS THE BOTTOM AND THE ASTERISKS BY THEIR NUMBERS, THOSE ARE THE STEPS IN LANES WHEN LONGEVITY KICKS IN.
SO, BEFORE THAT THERE'S NO LONGEVITY.
LONGEVITY KICKS IN ON YEAR 16 FOR PEOPLE WITH A BACHELOR'S DEGREE AND A BACHELOR'S DEGREE, PLUS POST PLUS 15 YEARS OF ADDITIONAL EDUCATION. YOU SEE, ON YEAR 17, IT KICKS IN FOR MASTERS, THEN ALL BACHELOR'S ON ALL MASTER'S UP THROUGH 15.
AND YES, I UNDERSTOOD THAT THE BA PLUS 15 IS 15 HOURS TOWARD AN M.A.
I'M INCORRECT. 15 HOURS OF POST BACHELOR GRADUATE.
YEAH, YEAH, I MEANT I MEANT ADDITIONAL COLLEGE CREDIT HOURS ON TOP.
IF I SAID YEARS, I'M WRONG, I APOLOGIZE.
I'M GOING TO END UP PASSING THIS MIC AROUND SO THAT EVERYONE CAN HEAR, ESPECIALLY ONLINE AND BACK.
THESE EXACT INDICES HAVEN'T CHANGED IN 20 YEARS.
EARLEYWINE INDICATED YOUR EARLIER YEARS IN YOUR CAREER, THE YEAR-TO-YEAR INCREASES ARE HIGHER AS A PERCENTAGE THAN WHEN YOU GET TOWARDS MORE EXPERIENCE.
AND IN FACT, WHEN YOU GET TO LONGEVITY, YOU GET NO INCREASE IF THERE'S NOT A LONGEVITY INCREASE OR A BASE SALARY, A BASE SALARY INCREASE, WE CALL IT BASE GENERATOR INCREASE.
SO, SO THE OTHER THING TO KEEP IN MIND IS THE TEACHER SALARY SUPPLEMENT IS A FIXED AMOUNT.
IT'S NOT SUBJECT TO THESE INDICES, NOR IS THE LONGEVITY.
IT'S NOT SUBJECT TO THESE THINGS.
THE ONLY THING THAT IS SUBJECT TO THESE IS CONSIDERED WAGES OR WE CALL IT BASE GENERATOR.
SO, ONE PORTION OF OUR SALARY STRUCTURE IS TIED TO THESE INDICES.
THE OTHER TWO AMOUNTS ARE FIXED AMOUNTS.
THE ONE THAT SAYS IT'S TYPICALLY NOT A NEGOTIATED ITEM.
THAT'S AN AMOUNT OF MONEY THE STATE GIVES US SPECIFICALLY IDENTIFIED AS RTS.
AND WE DIVIDE IT UP EQUALLY, SO WE DON'T.
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WE HAVE A LITTLE FORMULA THAT WE GO THROUGH AND DIVIDE IT UP EQUALLY.NOW, THE GOVERNOR'S PROPOSAL IS THAT ANY MINIMUM INCREASES WILL FLOW THROUGH SE.
SO, IT'S REALLY GOING TO CREATE ANOTHER COMPONENT OF SE.
YOU HAVE THE TRADITIONAL AMOUNT THAT WE TALKED ABOUT.
AND THAT'S LIKELY NOT GOING TO BE A NEGOTIABLE ITEM EITHER.
IT'LL BE A FIXED TO GET EVERYBODY TO WHATEVER THE NUMBER IS.
50,000 RIGHT NOW IS A PROPOSAL THAT WILL BE A FIXED AMOUNT THAT WILL DETERMINE.
AND THEN WE'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT LATER ON ABOUT IF THERE'S COMPRESSION ISSUES, AND WE'LL SHOW THOSE IF THERE'S ANYTHING BEYOND THAT, THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER COMPONENT THAT LIKELY WOULDN'T BE NEGOTIATED, BE BOARD DETERMINED AT THAT POINT IN TIME.
SO, OUR BASE GENERATOR TIMES ONE EQUALS OUR BASE SALARY.
NOW WE'RE GOING TO ADD THE SE TO IT.
AND WE'RE GOING TO ADD WHOOPS.
THEY'RE NOT. THEY DON'T GET LONGEVITY ZERO.
THE NUMBER IS ZERO FOR LONGEVITY.
SO, BUT THAT'S AND THAT WALKS THROUGH THIS ENTIRE SCHEDULE THIS WAY.
AND YOU CAN SEE THAT ON THE RIGHT OF THIS SCHEDULE YOU CAN SEE THESE PERCENTAGES THAT THEY GO UP.
YOU KNOW THE FIRST YEAR GOING FROM YEAR ONE TO YEAR TWO WITH THE BACHELOR'S JUST BY TIME PASSING, NOTHING ELSE, JUST BY TIME PASSING, THEY'RE GOING TO GET A 4% INCREASE IN YEAR TWO.
SO, THIS SCHEDULE IS BUILT WITH NO OTHER CHANGES OTHER THAN TIME PASSING.
EACH ONE OF THESE STEPS AND LANES ARE GOING TO GET THESE TYPES OF INCREASES WITH TIME PASSAGE.
EVEN IF WE SAID THERE'S NO BASE GENERATOR CHANGE, THERE'S NO SE AND THERE'S NO LONGEVITY, THEY WOULD GET THIS SORT OF INCREASES RIGHT HERE FOR THESE FOLKS THAT ARE LISTED IN THAT THE RELATIVE STEP IN LANE.
OKAY. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE TO EVERYBODY? OKAY. SO, AND THAT THAT'S SO BECAUSE WE NEGOTIATE WITH THE TEACHERS UNION YEARS AGO.
WE DO NOT NEGOTIATE THESE INDICES.
WE NEGOTIATE THE BASE WAGE THAT'S APPLIED AGAINST THESE INDICES.
BUT WE DON'T NEGOTIATE THESE INDICES.
WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT OBLIGED TO HAVE THEM.
BUT WE'VE ELECTED TO KEEP THEM.
WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE THESE IF WE DON'T IF WE DON'T WANT, I MEAN, WE DON'T HAVE TO.
SO, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS ON THE INDEXES THERE, WE PUT THOSE IN YEARS AGO.
RIGHT. YOU'RE ABOUT OVER 20 YEARS AGO AND THEY'RE GOING TO STAY UNLESS WE CHANGE THEM.
WELL, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'VE IN.
WELL, CHAPTER BEFORE CHAPTER 20 CHANGES.
AND RIGHT ONCE CHAPTER 20 CHANGED, THAT IS NOT PART OF THE DEFINITION OF BASE WAGES.
RIGHT. ONLY THE BASE GENERATOR IS A BASE WAGE.
BUT WE'VE ELECTED TO KEEP THESE IN HERE.
AND THIS IS A STRUCTURE THAT WE'VE ELECTED AS A BOARD TO KEEP IN AND HONOR THE HISTORICAL STRUCTURE.
AND I WOULD NOT PROPOSE CHANGING THAT AT ALL.
OKAY. OKAY. THAT'S WHAT I WANTED.
OKAY. SO, JUST SO I GUESS I'D BETTER TALK OVER THAT.
JUST SO, GETTING TO I THINK, DAN'S POINT IS THAT, YOU KNOW, BUILT IN IS, I MEAN, IF WE CHOOSE, I MEAN, IF NOTHING ELSE IS DONE, IT'S I BELIEVE IT'S A ONE POINT.
IS IT FIVE EIGHT A.D., 1.58 INCREASE.
SO THAT'S JUST THE NATURE OF A SALARY SCHEDULE, RIGHT? IS THAT IF JUST BY MOVING PEOPLE DOWN, THERE'S IT'S ABOUT AN ALMOST A 1.6 INCREASE IN, IN WAGES.
THE OTHER HISTORY PART OF THAT IS THAT THIS HAS BEEN DONE SEVERAL TIMES OVER THE OVER MANY YEARS.
I REMEMBER PHASE ONE INCREASING TEACHER SALARIES TO A MINIMUM OF 18,000.
THIS WAS ALL LEGISLATIVE INCREASES, 2002 TEACHER QUALITY MONEY TO 20,000 24,500 2007 25 FIVE 2008 26 FIVE 2009 28,000.
AND THE LATEST WAS 15 THROUGH 17 AT 33 FIVE 33,500.
SO THAT IS THE LEGISLATORS SAYING WE NEED MINIMUM SALARIES AT THIS LEVEL.
AND NOW THIS IS THE NEXT STEP.
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SO, THANK YOU. YEAH, I MEAN, THE SHOCKING THING TO ME, IF THEY SAY THE MINIMUM AND THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF DISTRICTS OUT THERE, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE'D RECRUIT AT THAT MINIMUM 33 FIVE.I DON'T THINK WE'D BE ABLE TO.
IT'S JUST IMPOSSIBLE. SO, OKAY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS? I WANT TO POINT OUT THREE NUMBERS ON THIS SCHEDULE WE'RE GOING TO BE USING IN THE NEXT SCHEDULE.
SEE THIS FIRST ONE OF ONE WE TALKED ABOUT THE NSC OF ONE.
LET'S LOOK DOWN ON THIS ONE, A MASTER'S DEGREE WITH NINE YEARS OF EXPERIENCE 1.47.
AND THEN LET'S LOOK DOWN HERE A MASTER'S WITH 15 POST-GRADUATE AT 17 YEARS, 1.8 35I BELIEVE IT IS.
SO, LET'S LOOK AT THE REMEMBER THOSE WHEN WE FLIP THEM THE NEXT PAGE.
BECAUSE NOW WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH A COUPLE OF EXAMPLES.
PAGE TWO IS ON THE BACK OF THIS.
OKAY. BUT THE SCHEDULE AS I SAID, THE TOTAL SALARY EQUALS THE BASE GENERATOR TIMES THAT INDEX TABLE WE JUST LOOKED AT, PLUS THE TEACHER SALARY SUPPLEMENT PLUS LONGEVITY IF APPLICABLE.
THAT'S OUR FORMULA THAT DRIVES OUR ENTIRE SALARY SCHEDULE.
AND ON THE LEFT-HAND SIDE OF THIS OF THIS HANDOUT IS YOUR CURRENT SALARY.
THIS IS OUR SALARY SCHEDULE THAT'S IN EFFECT RIGHT NOW.
THIS IS WHAT WE'RE PAYING TEACHERS RIGHT NOW.
NOW WHAT I WANT TO GO THROUGH IS A COUPLE OF EXAMPLES RIGHT HERE TO SAY HOW DOES THIS REALLY APPLY.
WELL, A BACHELOR'S DEGREE WHAT FIRST YEAR SERVICE WE HAVE.
WHAT THESE THREE COMPONENTS A BASE GENERATOR 38,007 11.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE THAT'S NEGOTIATED EVERY YEAR.
OKAY. THAT AMOUNT IS NEGOTIATED, NOT THE INDUSTRIES.
THAT'S A FIXED NUMBER EVERY YEAR THE INDUSTRIES DO NOT APPLY TO IT.
AND THEN WE HAVE AND THAT'S REALLY NOT NEGOTIATED.
WE'RE USING THE SAME FORMULA WE'VE USED EVERY YEAR.
WE PASS THAT MONEY RIGHT THROUGH AS THAT COMPONENT.
THE LONGEVITY PIECE IS A COMPONENT THAT WE NEGOTIATE EVERY YEAR.
IT'S NOT REQUIRED, BUT IT'S PERMISSIBLE.
AND WE NEGOTIATE THIS EVERY YEAR.
AND THAT'S PART OF OUR OVERALL PACKAGE.
AND YOU'LL SEE THAT LATER ON WHEN WE GO THROUGH THIS.
SO, LET'S JUST TAKE A COUPLE THREE EXAMPLES A BACHELOR FIRST YEAR WE TAKE OUR BASE GENERATOR 38,007 11 TIMES THE INDUSTRY WHICH WAS ONE FIRST YEAR WE TALKED ABOUT THAT GIVES YOU 38,007 11.
WE TOLD YOU THAT THE SE IS A FIXED AMOUNT, $6,100.
SO, WE ADD THAT TO IT AND THEREFORE WE GET 48,000, 48,008 1140 4008 11 ON BATCH UNDER THE BACHELOR COLUMN, A FIRST YEAR.
THAT'S HOW WE THAT'S HOW WE GET OUR STARTING SALARY FOR FIRST YEAR PEOPLE.
NOW LET'S MOVE DOWN TO THE NEXT EXAMPLE A MASTER'S WITH NINE YEARS OF EXPERIENCE.
AGAIN, WE START WITH OUR 38,007 11 BASE GENERATORS.
WE MULTIPLY THAT BY OUR INDUSTRY FACTOR WHICH IS 1.47.
AND THAT GIVES US A BASE SALARY OR BASE WAGES SALARY OF 56,905.
AGAIN, WE ADD THE SX TO IT $6,100.
AND THAT GIVES US A TOTAL SALARY OF 63,000 005.
LOOK WHAT'S ON OUR SALARY SCHEDULE 63,000 005 OKAY.
OR ITEM B REFERENCE B IF YOU WANT TO LOOK AT THAT.
AND THEN WE'LL TAKE ONE THE NEXT ONE WHICH LONGEVITY KICKS IN.
WE HAVE A MASTER'S PLUS 15 YEARS OF ADDITIONAL CREDIT.
THE FACTOR ON THAT IS 1.835 ACCORDING TO THE INDEX TABLE THAT WE FOLLOW.
AND THAT GIVES YOU A BASE, WHAT I CALL A BASE SALARY OF 71,035.
AGAIN, THE FIXED AMOUNT WE ADD TO IT.
AND NOW THEY HAPPEN TO BE IN THE GROUP YEAR 16, 17 AND 18 THAT GET LONGEVITY.
SO THAT'S ANOTHER FIXED AMOUNT THAT'S ADDED ON TOP OF IT.
AND YOU CAN SEE THAT RIGHT DOWN HERE ON THIS.
I'M SHOOTING ROODE'S HEAD BUT 80,000 760.
ITEM C SO YOU CAN SEE ON ANY ONE OF THESE 90 IT'S A FIVE BY 18 MATRIX.
ANY ONE OF THESE THE CALCULATION IS EXACTLY THE SAME.
TAKE THE BASE GENERATOR TIMES THE APPROPRIATE INDICES, ADD SX AND IF APPLICABLE, ADD LONGEVITY.
SO THAT IS HOW OUR CURRENT SALARY SCHEDULE IS BUILT OKAY.
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AND CAN YOU CLARIFY THAT 6100 I GET HOW IT'S CALCULATED.DOES IT CHANGE EVERY YEAR AT THE BEGINNING OF THE FISCAL YEAR, JULY 1ST? THAT'S WHEN WE CHANGE. THE PAY IS JULY 1ST.
AND TRADITIONALLY, HAS IT GONE UP OR DOWN OR IT'S USUALLY GONE UP BY LITTLE.
IT'S GONE UP BY A DE MINIMIS DOLLARS.
LAST YEAR WE HAD A WHOPPING INCREASE, WHICH IS $105.
THEY CALCULATE SW AND WE GET OUR ALLOCATION.
AND THAT COMES FROM THE STATE DIRECTLY.
AND I'M ASSUMING THEY FACTOR THAT IN WHEN THEY DO THE SSA OVERALL INCREASE.
HERE'S HOW MUCH MONEY WE'RE GIVING THE DISTRICTS THIS MUCH THROUGH SE THIS MUCH THROUGH STATE AID.
AND THEY LOOK AT ALL THAT TOGETHER.
SO, BUT YEAH, IT'S REALLY A FIXED CALCULATION FOR US DEPENDING ON THE AMOUNT OF MONEY.
NOW, HERE'S WHAT'S INTERESTING.
I THINK THAT'S FOR THE SALARY MINIMUMS. I'M NOT SURE. WE DON'T KNOW YET FOR SURE.
WE CAN'T. IT'S INDETERMINABLE, BUT THAT'S THE MECHANISM.
SO, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE REALLY WHAT I CALL TWO COMPONENTS OF SE.
AND MAYBE A THIRD. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE OUR TRADITIONAL TZ.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE OUR MINIMUM SALARY COMPONENT OF TZ, WHICH IS WHAT WE'LL GO THROUGH THAT, YOU KNOW, IF WE CALCULATE IT TODAY, WHAT THAT WOULD BE $464,000 APPROXIMATELY. AND THEN IF THERE'S ANY SORT OF COMPRESSION, ISSUE THE BOARD WANTS TO UNDERTAKE, IF THERE'S FUNDS AVAILABLE, WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT.
BUT TZ HISTORICALLY, FOR US, WILL KEEP OUR TRADITIONAL APPROACH.
BUT WE'RE PROBABLY WE MAY HAVE AT LEAST ONE MORE COMPONENT, MAYBE EVEN TWO MORE COMPONENTS THAT ARE COMPLETELY SEPARATE, EQUALLY DIVIDED BECAUSE SALARY INCREASE FOR MINIMUMS ARE NOT EQUALLY DIVIDED.
SOME PEOPLE WERE ALREADY OVER THE MINIMUM, SO THERE'S NO SALARY ADJUSTMENT.
EARLEYWINE, DID YOU WANT TO ADD SOMETHING TO THAT? YES. I WAS JUST GOING TO ASK PATTY TO CLARIFY, HOW WHAT TYPICALLY CHANGES IN SE FROM YEAR TO YEAR? WELL, GENERALLY, WOULD BE BASED ON SSA.
SO, IF IT'S A 3% SSA, THEN THAT 3% WOULD ALSO APPLY TO THE CATEGORIES.
AND THEN ALSO BASED ON ENROLLMENT.
SO, IF YOUR ENROLLMENT GOES UP, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE MORE.
DOLLARS. IF YOUR ENROLLMENT GOES DOWN GENERALLY IT WOULD DECREASE YOUR SUCCESS.
IS THAT. LET ME ASK YOU THIS BECAUSE I CAN'T REMEMBER.
SO, FOR STUDENTS THAT ATTEND, IS THAT ONE OF THE.
WE DON'T RECEIVE PTS FOR STUDENTS THAT ARE IN PRIVATE SCHOOLS' CATEGORY.
THE CATEGORICAL FUNDS ARE THAT NOT PART OF THAT WE WILL THIS WILL BE THE FIRST YEAR THAT WE WILL BE RECEIVING PTS FOR STUDENTS THAT RECEIVE ISAS IN.
SEE, WE'RE ALL ABOUT ACRONYMS AND EDUCATION.
WE HAVE SE. WE HAVE, I WAS GOING TO ASK FOR A POINT OF CLARIFICATION.
YES. GO AHEAD. WHAT IS SSA? WHAT IS THAT? THE STATE SUPPLEMENTAL AID AND SAY SUPPLEMENTAL STATE AID.
YEAH, YEAH. WHEN THEY COME OUT, THE GOVERNOR'S PROPOSED 2.5% OF SSA.
YEAR BEFORE IT WAS TWO AND A HALF.
SO, YOU KNOW, TWO AND A HALF AND THREE LAST YEAR.
THEY TALK A WHOLE DIFFERENT LANGUAGE.
YEAH, WE GIVE A SECRET SIGN LANGUAGE AND EVERYTHING, SO.
YEAH. YEAH, IT'S LIKE A BASEBALL SIGN, BUT NO.
AT THE SIMPLE LEVEL, HOW DO EMPLOYEE BENEFITS WORK? LIKE HEALTH INSURANCE, LIFE INSURANCE AND A LONG-TERM DISABILITY IN, IN MY PRIOR LIFE, THOSE WERE ADDITIONAL FORMS OF COMPENSATION. DOES THAT ALSO OCCUR NOW? IT'S YES, IT'S ADDITIONAL COMPENSATION.
OKAY. SO, IT'S A FIXED AMOUNT AND WE DON'T WE DON'T SEE IT HERE BUT IT'S THERE.
YEAH. AND YEAH, IT'S NOT NEGOTIABLE.
IT'S NOT PART OF, I GUESS, WHAT WE CALL OUR TOTAL PACKAGE.
BEFORE 2017, EVERYTHING WAS INCLUDED.
RIGHT. SO, INCREASES IN SALARY, INCREASE IN BENEFITS ALL WENT IN.
AND IT WAS IT WAS TOTAL PACKAGE.
RIGHT. SO NOW THAT WAS OBVIOUSLY STRIPPED OUT OF THE LAW.
THAT'S ILLEGAL SUBJECT TO BARGAINING INSURANCE.
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DIFFERENT FIXED AMOUNTS.SO, IT VARIES, AND THEN IT DEPENDS ON WHAT BENEFITS YOU CHOOSE, WHICH POLICY SO TO SPEAK.
YOU CHOOSE FOR HEALTH INSURANCE A BIG ONE.
RIGHT. SO, JUST USING THAT AS AN EXAMPLE.
SAME GOAL DEPENDING ON AGAIN THE JOB CLASSIFICATION YOU'RE IN, IT DOES PAY FOR IT.
AND THEN SOME OF THEM IT DOES NOT PAY FOR ALL OF IT.
SO, IT'S ALL PUBLIC INFORMATION THAT WE'RE SHARING HERE.
WE'VE SORT OF ESTABLISHED HOW WE GET TO OUR CURRENT SALARY SCHEDULE.
AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO OVERLAY THAT WITH, OKAY, WHAT IMPACT WOULD THE GOVERNOR'S PROPOSAL OF 50,000 HAVE AND HOW WOULD WE BE IMPACTED BY THAT.
THIS MIDDLE SCHEDULE RIGHT HERE SHOWS THAT EVERYBODY BELOW $50,000 ON THIS SCHEDULE, THEY SHOW UP IN THE GREEN AND THE GREEN REPRESENTS THE SHORTFALL TO $50,000, FOR EXAMPLE, A BACHELOR'S DEGREE YEAR ONE, WE'RE AT 44,008 11.
WELL, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THAT AND 50,000 IS $5,189.
THAT'S JUST TODAY'S SALARY SCHEDULE.
OKAY. SO YOU CAN SEE THE JOBS, THE JOB CLASSIFICATIONS THAT ARE AFFECTED, THE IMPACT OF THE REQUIRED ADDITIONAL INCREASE IN SALARY. AND THEN HERE'S WHAT THE SCHEDULE WOULD LOOK LIKE THE GREATER OF OUR CURRENT SALARY SCHEDULE OR THE GOVERNOR'S MINIMUM.
AND THEN OBVIOUSLY THIS ONE'S JUST SHORT A LITTLE BIT DOWN HERE IN YEAR 12.
AND YOU CAN SEE THE JOBS THAT ARE IMPACTED AND THE AMOUNTS OKAY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON SCHEDULE TWO OKAY.
SCHEDULE THREE IS BASICALLY WHAT I CALL THE CENSUS.
IT'S A CENSUS OF OUR CURRENT TEACHERS.
WHEN WE LOOK AT THAT SAME SCHEDULE, WE SEE, OKAY, HOW MANY OF OUR STAFF HAVE BACHELOR'S DEGREE? WELL, 200 AND 87.5 OF THEM HAVE BACHELOR'S DEGREE, 106 HAVE MASTER'S THREE, EIGHT OR BACHELOR'S 15, 318 HAVE MASTER'S 70 HAVE MASTER'S 15.
AND NEARLY 300 OR 298 HAVE MASTER'S PLUS 30.
THESE ARE OUR FULL TIME EQUIVALENTS, THESE ITEMS IN GRAY.
WE DON'T HAVE ANY PERSONNEL IN THOSE CATEGORIES.
THAT'S WHY THEY'RE GRAYED OUT.
BUT YOU CAN SEE HERE ARE THE NUMBER OF TEACHERS THAT WE WOULD HAVE IMPACTED.
THERE WE GO. WHEN WE LOOK AT THE TOTAL NUMBER OF TEACHERS IMPACT, THAT'S 163 THAT ARE CURRENTLY THAT ARE CURRENTLY BELOW THE GOVERNOR'S MINIMUM, 148 OF THEM ARE IN THE BACHELOR'S DEGREE, 14 ARE BACHELOR'S PLUS 15.
AND WE HAVE ONE PERSON WHO'S A BRAND NEW TEACHER THAT HAS A MASTER'S DEGREE THAT WOULD BE IMPACTED.
AND YOU CAN SEE THEY'RE UP HERE IN THE UPPER LEFT HAND QUADRANT.
THE NEWER PEOPLE WITHOUT THE BENEFIT OF THE INCREASING INDEXES FOR THE DEGREES.
SO SO THIS UPPER LEFT HAND QUADRANT AND AS WE SAID WE HAD JUST LIKE 100 AND I THINK $189, A BACHELOR'S WITH 12 YEARS WOULD BE IMPACTED. SO VERY FEW.
BUT THAT'S THE NUMBER THAT WE WOULD HAVE 163 PEOPLE WOULD BE IMPACTED OUT OF 1000 AND NEARLY 1080.
OKAY. THAT'S ALL I WANTED TO SHOW ON THAT.
BUT YOU CAN LOOK AT THE YEARS OF SERVICE AND YOU CAN SEE WE'RE RELATIVELY EVEN, YOU KNOW, UNTIL WE START GETTING DOWN HERE, WE HAVE A LOT OF LONG TERM, LONG TERM SERVICE FOLKS HERE IN THE 17 AND 18 AND BEYOND YEARS.
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SO. A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF OUR STAFF HAS HAS A LOT OF YEARS OF SERVICE.OKAY. AND JUST TO JUST TO LET YOU KNOW OUT OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE MAXED OUT ON THE SCHEDULE AT AT LONGEVITY, WE HAVE ROUGHLY 416, WHICH IS 38.5% OF OUR STAFF ARE AT THE MAXIMUM LEVEL.
OKAY. THAT TYPICALLY HOLDS THAT PERCENTAGE HOLDS FROM 37 TO ABOUT 40 ALMOST EVERY YEAR.
IT REALLY DOESN'T CHANGE MUCH FROM YEAR TO YEAR.
YOU HAVE RETIREES, YOU HAVE NEW HIRES, YOU HAVE RETIREES.
IT'S PRETTY CONSISTENT AROUND THE 37, 38, 39, RIGHT.
IN THAT AT LEAST FOR THE LAST FOUR YEARS, IT'S BEEN THERE.
AND I EXPECT, YOU KNOW, BASED ON THAT, IT'LL IT'LL CONTINUE.
SO OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS ON SCHEDULE THREE.
OKAY, NOW, NOW WE'RE GOING TO GET INTO MAKING YOUR EYES SPIN A LITTLE BIT, OKAY? BUT IT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED.
IT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED.
JUST REITERATING AGAIN WE'RE AT A BACHELOR'S DEGREE.
THEN WE SAY BACHELOR'S PLUS 15.
THERE'S NOTHING FOR LONGEVITY.
THAT'S THE SALARY SCHEDULE THE 40,008 11.
AND THEN THIS IS THE OH THIS IS A SHORTFALL TO THE GOVERNOR'S MINIMUM.
THIS IS WHAT IT IS. HERE'S THE NUMBER OF TEACHERS.
THE ONLY THING NEW THAT'S REALLY ADDED IN HERE IS WHAT'S THE COST OF GETTING US UP TO COMPLIANCE FOR $50,000 FOR THOSE BACHELOR'S DEGREE TO MOVE THEM UP TO $50,000, THAT PRICE TAG FOR THAT GROUP, THE BACHELOR'S DEGREE WITH FIRST YEAR OF SERVICE, THAT COSTS WOULD BE $212,749. SO WHAT THIS SCHEDULE ADDS IS REALLY WHAT'S THE COST OF MOVING THIS? WHAT'S THE COST OF MOVING THEM UP TO THE MINIMUMS? EVERYTHING ELSE IN HERE IS WHAT WE'VE ALREADY JUST GONE THROUGH AS FAR AS CALCULATIONS.
SO I'M NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH IT.
BUT I WOULD ASK YOU TO TURN TO PAGE FOUR.
ON SCHEDULE FOUR, I'M GOING TO ASK YOU TO REMEMBER THE CHECK YOU FORWARDED.
OKAY. SO WHAT I'M GOING TO ASK YOU TO REMEMBER IS, IS A COUPLE OF NUMBERS, THE TOTAL SALARIES TODAY, JUST USING OUR CURRENT SALARY SCHEDULE 73 $73,000,933 780 73 933 780.
THAT'S OUR THAT'S OUR GROSS SALARY SCHEDULE TODAY.
THAT'S JUST SALARY WITHOUT BENEFITS OR ANY TYPE OF BENEFITS OR EMPLOYMENT TAXES.
BUT WHEN WE ADD IT UP, WHEN WE ADD UP ALL THE COST OF GETTING US TO 50,000, IT'S ROUGHLY $464,500 FOR THOSE PEOPLE THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED TO BE BROUGHT TO THE MINIMUM OF 50,000.
NOW IN IN THE GOVERNOR'S PROPOSAL AND THE SENATE AND THE HOUSE DRAFT, THEY'RE PROPOSING TO FUND US THIS SHORTFALL AND THEN TIE IT TO SSA ON A GO FORWARD BASIS.
THEY WOULD CONTINUE TO INCREASE IT, BUT OVER TIME PRETTY QUICKLY.
THIS WILL GO AWAY BECAUSE WE'LL HAVE EVERYBODY ABOVE $50,000.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEIR LAW MIGHT OR MIGHT NOT BE.
DOES THIS GO ON IN PERPETUITY? OR IT'S JUST THIS.
NO, ONLY YOUR SHORTFALL OF $50,000.
MY MY GUESS IS THAT THE SHORTFALL, IT'S JUST THE SHORTFALL.
AND ONCE WE ONCE WE GO ABOVE THE SHORTFALL, WE STOP.
RIGHT. THAT THAT THAT WOULDN'T SURPRISE ME.
OKAY. THAT'S MY SPECULATION AND CONJECTURE.
I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING DIFFERENTLY THAN THAT.
THEY SAID THEY'D GIVE US THE EMPLOYMENT TAXES.
SO THE IPERS AND THE FICA ARE ROUGHLY 17.2% COMBINED.
SO SO THAT'S REALLY WHAT THEY WOULD GIVE US ON TOP OF THAT TO FULLY FUND THIS MANDATE, SO TO SPEAK.
WHEN WE MET WITH THE GOVERNOR, SHE WAS TALKING ABOUT THIS.
SHE STATED, AS IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, THAT, YOU KNOW, THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN WORKING REALLY HARD, THE DISTRICTS HAVE BEEN WORKING REALLY HARD TO GET THOSE TEACHERS UP TO THAT 50,000 AND OR CLOSE TO IT.
YOU'RE STILL GOING TO GET FUNDS.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO LEAVE YOU OUT.
BUT I HAVEN'T SEEN THE DETAILS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.
SO I'M NOT SURE WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT THE GAP BETWEEN 33 FIVE AND THE 50 TIMES THE NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES? I DON'T THINK SO, NO.
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SO WHAT ABOUT THOSE DISTRICTS? AND SHE SAID THEY WOULD STILL RECEIVE FUNDS.AND I DON'T WANT TO BE PREMATURE.
BUT IN DOING THAT THEN YOU HAVE THOSE TEACHERS THAT HAVE ACCORDING TO THIS SCHEDULE, RIGHT? THAT ARE AT 51 AND YOU'VE GOT FIVE YEARS OF TEACHING A LITTLE THING CALLED COMPRESSION.
EXACTLY. IT'S CALLED COMPRESSION.
I MEAN, THERE'S NO INCENTIVE THERE.
I MEAN, THERE'S NOT MUCH OF AN INCENTIVE FROM A FIRST YEAR TO A FIVE YEAR EXPERIENCE.
NO, THAT'S THAT'S THE THAT'S THE INTERESTING PART.
WELL, THE MARKET RATE MINIMUM IS 50,000.
WELL, WHAT ABOUT THOSE FOLKS THAT HAVE YEARS OF EXPERIENCE AND YOU AREN'T ADDRESSING THAT? YOU'VE JUST YOU'VE JUST COMPRESSED ALL THOSE SALARIES FROM 50 AND A FIFTH YEAR PERSON THAT'S MAKING 51,000.
SO WAIT A MINUTE, MY ARE YOU TELLING ME MY EXPERIENCE IS WORTH $250 A YEAR? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT IT CALCULATES OUT TO.
AS FAR AS SSA, WE DON'T KNOW YET WHAT WE MIGHT OR MIGHT NOT GET OR WILL WE HAVE TO MAKE.
I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW ANY OTHER WORD OTHER THAN COMPRESSION.
AND AND IT'S JUST YOU JUST HAVE THAT THAT BASE THAT SAYS THESE PEOPLE IN THE MIDDLE REALLY DON'T THEY DON'T THEIR WORK, THEIR YEARS OF SERVICE DOESN'T MATTER.
WELL IT'S IT'S LIKE THAT, I'LL TELL YOU.
IT'S LIKE THAT IN ANY PROFESSION.
RIGHT? I SAW IT WHEN I FIRST STARTED OUT.
I SEE IT WITH KIDS THAT ARE STARTING RIGHT NOW.
I MEAN, IF YOU TALK ABOUT YOUNG ENGINEERS OR COMPUTER SCIENCE GUYS, I MEAN, THOSE GUYS ARE MAKING $80,000 A YEAR, BUT THEIR PEERS WHO STARTED TWO AND THREE YEARS AGO WHEN SALARIES WEREN'T SO HIGH, THEY'RE JUST MAKING A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN THAT.
THEY'RE NOT MAKING A LOT MORE THAN I'M IN THE INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY BUSINESS.
IF YOU WANT A GUY, A NEW KID WITH FIVE YEARS OF EXPERIENCE, THEY CAN COMMAND THE WORLD.
YOU GET SOMEBODY WITH 15 YEARS EXPERIENCE.
THE GAP BETWEEN 15 YEARS AND FIVE YEARS ISN'T SO MUCH.
IT'S THEY WANT MORE EXPERIENCE WITH THE FIVE TO 5 TO 10 YEARS PAYS THE MOST.
THEN THE GAP STARTS NARROWING AFTER THAT.
IT'S IT'S NEVER FAIR BECAUSE NEW HIRES ALWAYS GET THE MOST.
AND THAT'S JUST THAT'S THE WAY IT HISTORICALLY HAS WORKED.
AND IN MOST PROFESSIONS, NEW LAWYERS, YOU KNOW, INVESTMENT BANKERS, ANYBODY THE NEW GUYS ALWAYS GET THE, THE WE WENT THROUGH THAT IN OUR LAW FIRM.
YEAH. WE HAD TO MAKE IT IN ORDER TO BE COMPETITIVE.
WE HAD TO MAKE A SUBSTANTIAL INCREASE.
BUT THEN IT WAS ALSO NECESSARY FOR US TO MAKE ADJUSTMENTS FOR THOSE THAT WERE, ON THEIR TRACK TOWARD BECOMING PARTNERS, BECAUSE IT WASN'T FAIR TO HAVE SOMEONE JUST EXACTLY AS WE DESCRIBED.
IF YOU WERE IF SUDDENLY YOU GOT 50 AND YOU'RE HERE FIVE YEARS AND YOU ONLY GET 51, YOU KNOW, MY ONE OF MY CONCERNS ON THE COMPRESSION SIDE IS YOU PROBABLY WOULD STAY IF IT'S 5050, BUT YOU GO INTO THE THIRD YEAR AND IT'S STILL 50, THEY'RE GOING TO SAY, I'M GOING TO LOOK AROUND.
YEAH. WHAT WILL THE MARKET BEAR? MAYBE ANOTHER DISTRICT THAT'S OFFERING MORE AND DIFFERENT PROFESSION THAT'S REALLY OUR COMPETITORS ANYMORE, OR OTHER BUSINESSES THAT SAY, YEAH, WE'LL PAY THE MONEY BECAUSE OR OTHER DISTRICT, I THINK IT'S OTHER DISTRICTS TOO.
IT'S PEOPLE ARE GOING TO RECOGNIZE THAT A VALUE OF A YEAR OF SERVICE IS NOT ZERO.
I MEAN, BUT THAT'S THAT'S A SEPARATE ISSUE.
BUT LOOK, I'VE SEEN THIS COMPRESSION THROUGHOUT A 30 YEAR BUSINESS CAREER.
I'VE SEEN IT EVERY YEAR ON SOME WAY, SHAPE OR FORM.
IT'S JUST IT HAPPENS EVERY YEAR.
IT MAY BE A DIFFERENT ARE WE GOING TO HAVE THE SAME ISSUE WITH THE NEXT LEVEL OF THE 62 FIVE LEVEL? NOT REALLY, BECAUSE THE, THE, THE ADJUSTMENT IS ONLY $189.
OUR SCHEDULE FIXES IT AS TIME GOES BY.
SO NO, IT'S A DE MINIMIS IT'S A DE MINIMIS NUMBER FOR THAT GROUP.
BUT OKAY. SO THAT'S SCHEDULE FOR ON SCHEDULE FOR.
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YOU CAN SEE ON EACH GROUP THE AVERAGE SALARY THAT WE HAVE PER PER BACHELOR'S DEGREE PER BACHELOR'S PLUS 15.OUR OVERALL SALARY AVERAGE FOR EVERYBODY IS 68,000 FOR 68 FOR ALL AVERAGE FOR 1080 OR 79.5.
REMEMBER THAT TOTAL NUMBER OF 73,009 33 780 FOR LATER ON JUST 7373, 933 780.
THAT'S OUR TOTAL WAGE BILL SALARY BILL TODAY.
SO WE'LL WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT.
OKAY. MOVING TO MOVING TO SCHEDULE FIVE.
SCHEDULE FIVE IS JUST A, SCHEDULE FIVE IS JUST A SUMMARY SCHEDULE.
THIS JUST THROWS EVERYBODY TOGETHER, REGARDLESS OF LEVEL OF EDUCATION.
40, 44 PEOPLE WITH YEAR ONE, COULD BE BACHELOR'S, MASTER'S, MASTER'S, PLUS 15 OR MASTER'S.
WE ONLY HAVE MASTER'S DEGREE HIGHEST.
AND THEN THIS IS JUST A NUMBER OF PEOPLE IN THE STEPS THE YEARS OF SERVICE OKAY.
AND THIS REPRESENTS THE AVERAGE SALARY FOR A FIRST YEAR PERSON.
YOU KNOW OUR STARTING SALARY IS 44,000.
OUR AVERAGE BECAUSE WE HAVE SOME BACHELOR'S PLUS 15 AND ONE MASTER'S DEGREE.
SO THIS IS OUR AVERAGE FOR THAT YEAR OF SERVICE.
IF WE JUST HAD TIME PASSING REMEMBER WE TALKED ABOUT THE INDICES CHANGE JUST BY TIME PASSING.
AND THAT'S WHERE WE GOT THE 1.58.
SO OUR CURRENT BASE GENERATOR IS 38 711 LONGEVITY 3625 AND SE IS 61.
THE PEOPLE THAT ARE IN YEAR ONE CATEGORY TODAY, JUST BY TIME PASSING, THEY WOULD GET $1,553 ON AVERAGE, OR 3.45%.
WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH THIS IN A DETAILED SCHEDULE.
SO THE AUTOMATIC SALARY SCHEDULE BUILT IN INCREASES RIGHT NOW JUST BY EVERYTHING ELSE.
SO WELL, HOW CAN THAT BE? ALL THESE GROUPS ARE GETTING THREE ALMOST THREE TWO AND A HALF SOMEWHERE.
THAT'S WHY THESE TWO ARE HIGHER.
OKAY. SO THAT'S WHY IT'D BE SO YOU CAN SEE ALL OF THESE INCREASES TALLY UP TO A MILLION.
164 839 JUST BY TIME PASSING ONE MORE YEAR OF SERVICE ON THE SALARY SCHEDULE.
THAT BILL IS 1,000,001 64 839, WHICH EQUATES TO 1.58%, AND THAT 1.58% 1,000,001 64 839 ON THE 73,000,009 33 780 TOTAL, THAT EQUALS 1.58%.
OKAY. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE TO EVERYBODY? OKAY. ALL RIGHT.
5AI SHOULD SAY SCHEDULE FIVE A IS JUST JUST THE DETAIL CALCULATION OR SUMMARY.
IT GOES ONE LEVEL DEEPER AND IT SHOWS THAT FIRST YEAR PEOPLE HERE'S THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE.
THIS WOULD BE THE NEW SALARY FOR THE NEXT YEAR.
THIS IS THE SAME NUMBER WE SAW EARLIER 3.46.
SO WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE QUITE FRANKLY, IS WE'RE TAKING A SUMMARY.
WE'RE PEELING THE ONION ONE LAYER BACK SO YOU CAN SEE A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL.
AND WE'RE GOING TO PEEL THE LAYER BACK TO YOU SEE EVERY BLOODY CALCULATION.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH THEM ALL.
BUT SCHEDULE FIVE B SHOWS THAT OKAY.
SO TURNING OVER TO SCHEDULE FIVE B OKAY FIVE B IS THE SAME THING.
WE GO THROUGH OUR CALCULATION.
WE HAVE 41 PEOPLE IN THE C OF 138 711.
HERE'S OUR 44,008 11 THE NEXT YEAR.
AND THIS IS WHY I SAY YEAR PLUS ONE THE NEXT YEAR.
THOSE PEOPLE MOVE UP TO 1.04 ON THE SCHEDULE.
THE INDICES, THEY GET A 1.4 INDEX OKAY.
IF THERE'S NO CHANGES, STILL 38, SEVEN, 11.
BUT NOW IT'S YOUR BASE GENERATOR TIMES 1.04, NOT TIMES ONE IT'S 1.04.
SO BY TIME PASSING YOU MOVE UP ONE MORE STEP ON THE INDEX TABLE AND YOU GET THIS RAISE.
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SO HERE AND THAT'S A BACHELOR'S DEGREE FIRST YEAR.AND THIS GOES THROUGH ALL THE CALCULATIONS.
AND THIS IS THE DETAIL THAT BACKS UP THAT 1.58%.
AND THE EXACT CALCULATIONS YOU'RE MOVING UP A YEAR ON.
YOU'RE MOVING UP ONE MORE YEAR ON THE INDUSTRY TABLE.
ASSUME NOTHING ELSE. THAT'S 1.58.
OR $1.1 MILLION INCREASE THAT WE FACE JUST BY TIME PASSING.
I'M NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH THE DETAILS ON THIS ONE.
BUT THAT'S WHAT FIVE IS THE SUMMARY FIVE B IS THE NEXT LAYER.
AND OR SORRY FIVE A IS THE NEXT LAYER AND FIVE B IS THE DETAIL CALCULATIONS.
I'M GOING TO I'M GOING TO REFER YOU TO A HANDOUT.
YOU SEE THESE TYPE DOCUMENTS HERE? I GUESS THE IMPORTANT THING IS THIS IS CHAPTER 20, CHAPTER 20.9, SCOPE OF NEGOTIATIONS.
I JUST INCLUDED IT FOR FOR REFERENCE PURPOSES.
IT TALKS ABOUT ITEM THREE IN THERE.
THESE ITEMS SHALL BE EXCLUDED FROM THE SCOPE OF NEGOTIATIONS SHALL BE.
OKAY. SO IT'S LIKE WELL NOT MAYBE IT SAYS SHALL BE.
SO I WOULD SAY THIS IS SORT OF THE, THE GOSPEL OF, OF NEGOTIATIONS RIGHT NOW, IS, IS WHAT'S, WHAT'S WHAT'S PROHIBITED, WHAT'S PERMISSIBLE. AND IT'S JUST FOR BACKGROUND REFERENCE.
I DON'T SEE ANYTHING CHANGING FOR US.
WE'RE DOING IT PROPOSING TO THE ONLY THING I'D SAY IS UNDER THE SE, THERE'S THOSE POTENTIAL TWO NEW ITEMS THAT I DON'T BELIEVE WILL BE SUBJECT TO NEGOTIATION THE GOVERNOR'S MINIMUM SALARY AMOUNT AND ANY SHORTFALL WE GET TO MAKE UP FOR THAT.
THAT'S THE STATE'S GOING TO, YOU KNOW, GIVE US THAT MONEY.
BUT WE GOT TO PUT IT TOWARDS MINIMUM SALARIES.
AND THEN IF WE DO ANY SORT OF COMPRESSION FIXING OR ADJUSTING OR SOMETHING, THAT'S ANOTHER ONE THAT I THINK IS NOT, NOT REALLY THAT THAT'S, THAT'S FOR A BOARD, A NON NEGOTIABLE ITEM TO, TO ADJUST.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE DID WITH THE CCPA FOLKS TWO YEARS AGO.
OKAY. CHAD, THERE'S THERE'S A SCHEDULE THAT IT'S IN.
IT'S IN THE BOARD PACKET, BUT I WANT THE PUBLIC TO BE ABLE TO SEE IT.
AND I'VE GOT IT ON A FILE HERE.
IF. JUST IMAGINE THAT YOU DON'T HAVE THAT ONE.
MY MOUSE IS ON. THIS MOMENT? YES, YES, YES.
THERE SHOULD BE A FOLDER, A BOARD, WORK SESSION.
YOU DID THAT LITTLE TRICK. KEEP GOING.
PERFECT. YOU DID THAT. SEAL OFF THIS SIDE.
I THREW TOGETHER THIS AFTERNOON.
I HAD VARIOUS VERSIONS OF IT, BUT THEY WERE KIND OF DIRTY.
THIS. AND I WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR.
THIS IS JUST FOR ILLUSTRATIVE PURPOSES ONLY.
IT'S JUST FOR GENERAL REFERENCE AND ILLUSTRATIVE PURPOSES ONLY.
BUT IF YOU RECALL OUR BASE SALARY 73 933 780 OKAY.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE CURRENTLY PAYING TODAY.
SO WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE THIS IS SORT OF A GIVEN NUMBER.
WE THE STATE GIVES US A NUMBER.
WE DIVIDE IT EQUALLY. SO I TOOK PTS OUT OF THIS DISCUSSION AND JUST SAID WE'RE NEGOTIATING ON ON BASE WAGES AND LONGEVITY. OKAY.
SO AND YOU SAID LET'S JUST RUN LET'S JUST RUN INCREMENTAL $100 CHANGES.
WE HAVE NEVER DONE THEM EQUALLY IN NEGOTIATIONS.
BUT JUST FOR THESE PURPOSES, WE JUST SAID SO FOR RIGHT NOW.
WE KNOW TODAY THAT JUST WITH TIME PASSING AND PEOPLE MOVING UP A STEP, IT'S 1 MILLION.
OKAY. IF WE SAID WE'RE GOING TO INCREASE THE BASE GENERATOR, THE 38.7 11 BY $100, AND WE'RE GOING TO INCREASE LONGEVITY TO 3625 BY $100.
WHAT WOULD HAPPEN? WELL, WE WOULD STILL HAVE THIS.
THIS IS OUR FIXED AMOUNT FOR TIME PASSING.
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IF WE INCREASE IT BY $100 FOR BASE GENERATOR, AS THAT FLOWS THROUGH ALL THOSE INDICES TIMES 1,079.5 PEOPLE, THAT WOULD COST $172,820 IF WE RAN $100 THROUGH LONGEVITY, THERE'S MORE PEOPLE THAT WOULD BE AGE ONE MORE YEAR THAT WOULD BE ELIGIBLE FOR LONGEVITY.SO INSTEAD OF 416, THEORETICALLY IT'S 445.
SO THAT INCREASE THEN WOULD THE TOTAL SALARY BILL WOULD BE THIS.
THE TIME PASSES, STEP CHANGE PLUS THE BASE GENERATOR INCREASE PLUS THE LONGEVITY INCREASE WILL BE 1,000,003 82 OR THE 1.58 MOVES UP TO 1.87%.
AND I'M NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH EACH ONE OF THESE.
BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THIS ONE, THE GOVERNOR'S PROPOSAL IS SOMEWHAT CLOSE TO 2.5%.
SO I JUST WHAT'S $300 GIVE US? WELL, THE SAME STEP CHANGE GIVEN, THIS $300 WOULD BE 518,004 60 133 500 1,000,008 2.46%. NOT QUITE TWO FIVE THAT THE GOVERNOR PROPOSED, BUT THAT'S IF SHE SAYS SSA OF 2.46.
THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE ANY OF THE MINIMUM SALARY FIXES.
THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE ANY COMPRESSION FIXES.
OKAY. THIS IS JUST FOLLOWING OUR TRADITIONAL SALARY SCHEDULE WITH THESE TYPE OF INCREASES.
SO A $500 INCREASE ON EACH ONE OF THOSE WOULD BE THE SAME THING.
YOU KNOW $800 WOULD BE NEARLY 4%.
AGAIN, IT'S THE BASE SALARY, YOU KNOW, OR THIS WOULD BE THE STEP CHANGE TIME PASS BASE SALARY INCREASE LONGEVITY INCREASE, EQUAL TOTAL INCREASE OF WAGES ON TOP OF THE 73 933 OKAY.
AND THOSE ARE THE RESPECTIVE PERCENTAGES.
THAT WAS JUST FOR ILLUSTRATIVE PURPOSES ONLY.
BUT YOU CAN SEE JUST THE RELATIONSHIP ABOUT A 4 TO 1 RELATIONSHIP.
BECAUSE THE LONGEVITY INCREASE ONLY GOES FOR FOLKS IN THE 16, 17, 18 YEAR CATEGORY.
AND IT'S A FIXED AMOUNT, YOU KNOW, ALL THE OTHER 600.
AND SOME PEOPLE THAT WEREN'T PART OF THAT GROUP WOULDN'T GET IT ON LONGEVITY.
SO IT'S A SMALLER. SO IT'S ABOUT A IT'S ABOUT A 4 TO 1 RELATIONSHIP.
THE OTHER ONE IS ABOUT ONE FOURTH.
LONGEVITY IS ABOUT ONE FOURTH OF THAT.
THAT THAT REALLY, IS SORT OF THE, THE SUMMATION OF, OF I CALL IT THE MECHANICS AND, OR AND, OR, YOU KNOW, STRUCTURE OF OUR CURRENT SALARY SCHEDULE.
THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO CONTEND WITH ARE WHAT IS SSA GOING TO BE? WE CAN'T SPEND BEYOND OUR MEANS.
WE CAN'T SPEND MORE THAN WE'RE TAKING IN.
THIS MINIMUM SALARY IS GOING TO HAVE A COST TO IT.
WHAT'S THAT GOING TO LOOK LIKE FOR US AS FAR AS GETTING REIMBURSED FOR IT? AND OVER TIME, WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN? WE'LL BE ABOVE THE MINIMUM SALARIES.
AND THEN IF THERE'S A COMPRESSION, IF THERE'S ANY SORT OF COMPRESSION FIX WHAT WHAT IS THAT.
WHAT IS THAT FIX GOING TO LOOK LIKE IF AT ALL, IF THERE'S MONIES AVAILABLE? BECAUSE EVERYTHING ANY ANY COMPRESSION FIX IS ON TOP OF THIS.
IT'S NOT IT'S NOT BAKED IN HERE AT ALL.
AND ANY SALARY, MINIMUM SALARY IS ON TOP.
NOW, THEY'VE INDICATED THE STATE IS GOING TO REIMBURSE US FOR ANYTHING OVER THAT.
BUT THE COMPRESSION FIX IS NOT IN HERE AT ALL.
AND YOU KNOW, IF THE STATE GIVES US X PERCENT FOR SSA, WHAT CAN WE AFFORD OVER TIME? AND HOW DO WE HOW DO WE ADDRESS THAT OVER TIME.
SO THAT THAT'LL BE THAT'LL BE WHAT THE BOARD HAS TO WRESTLE WITH, ON A GO FORWARD BASIS.
BUT AS I SAID, JUST JUST FOR THE FOR THE NEW MEMBERS.
SO THERE'S A DIFFERENT MIX AND MATCH.
AND WE RUN SCENARIOS WHERE, YOU KNOW, THIS, WHAT WOULD THIS LOOK LIKE? WHAT WOULD THAT LOOK LIKE.
AND WHAT DO WE FEEL IS THE RIGHT MIX, WITH THAT.
AND SO WE KIND OF END UP MIGRATING TO A CERTAIN LEVEL.
AND THAT'S HOW NEGOTIATIONS TYPICALLY, TYPICALLY ARE AT THAT, 530 LEVEL.
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SO, WE'RE TO THE END OF OUR WORK SESSION.I'M SURE IF YOU GUYS HAVE MORE QUESTIONS REGARDING THIS, AND PUT SOME TIME IN IT AND I'M SURE HE WOULD ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE WHAT IF, HAPPENS.
BUT THIS THIS GIVES US AN IDEA OF WHAT THE LEGISLATION, HOW IT COULD IMPACT US GOING FORWARD.
THANK YOU, DAN, FOR THE WORK YOU PUT IN.
THANK YOU FOR EVERYONE THAT ATTENDED.
THANKS FOR PATTY. PATTY, PATTY, ALWAYS DOUBLE CHECK, GUYS WHEN YOU'RE TALKING.
DOCTOR, GAVEL THIS OUT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, OR I CAN JUST SAY, COME BACK IN A HALF HOUR.
WE'LL JUST WE'LL JUST SAID, COME BACK IN A HALF HOUR.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.