>> WE WANT TO GET IN WHEN HE GETS IN.
[Work Session on May 13, 2024.]
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>> IT IS MAY 13TH, I CALL THIS WORK SESSION DELIVERY WHEN WILL YOU DO THE ROLE?
MR. M. K WILL BE JOINING SHORTLY.
WE ARE HERE WORK SESSION REGARDING THE REPAIRS OF THE EAST, NORTH AND WEST POOLS PRIMARILY. YOU'RE UP.
>> THANK YOU. WE DO HAVE A PRESENTATION THAT WAS PUT TOGETHER BY MR. TIM PAUL.
THERE ARE A LOT OF QUESTIONS THAT PEOPLE HAD BOARD MEMBERS HAD.
WE'LL START WITH THAT, AND THEN WE WILL ALSO HAVE A DISCUSSION ON THE LEASE AGREEMENT AND THE TERMS AND JUST TRY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS THAT BOARD MEMBERS MIGHT HAVE CONCERNING ANY END OR ALL OF THIS INFORMATION.
>> BEFORE WE GET STARTED, I JUST WANT TO REMIND EVERYONE TO SPEAK CLEARLY INTO THE MICROPHONES, BOTH IN THE CABINET POSITIONS AND UP HERE IN THE BOARD.
MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY WHO ARE ONLINE LISTENING TO THIS, CAN HEAR IT BECAUSE I KNOW THERE'S BEEN SOME STRUGGLE IN THE LAST FEW WEEKS THAT I GET TEXT MESSAGES FOR.
>> THIS LEASE DRAFT LEASE AGREEMENT, THIS WAS NOT PREPARED BY US, IS IT CORRECT?
>> CORRECT. THAT IT WAS NOT PREPARED.
WE DID MEET WITH THE REPRESENTATIVES AND DID HAVE A GOOD DISCUSSION CONCERNING THAT.
THEN JUST SOME GOOD DIALOGUE QUESTIONS THAT WE HAD AND JUST TRYING TO SEEK SOME CLARIFICATION ON SOME THINGS.
>> THANK YOU BOARD MEMBERS FOR YOUR TIME TONIGHT.
WE WILL GO THROUGH I WON'T BORE YOU WITH ALL THE DETAILS OF EVERY REPAIR, BUT I'LL GO THROUGH THEM, AND PLEASE FEEL FREE TO ASK QUESTIONS AT THE END, IF THERE'S ANYTHING REPAIR QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE.
I PRESENTED ALL THREE OF THE SCHOOLS.
WHAT GOT US TO THIS POINT WAS IN APPROXIMATELY LATE FALL EARLY WINTER.
WE ASKED FOR THE HELP OF ACO POOL SUPPLIER.
THEY SUPPLY THE MAJORITY OF THE LARGE COMMERCIAL POOLS, NOT ONLY IN THIS STATE, BUT IN THE MIDWEST AREA WITH PART SUPPLIES.
THEY TOOK A LOOK AT OUR POOLS.
WE GAVE THEM SOME GUIDANCE THAT WE WANTED TO GET THE EQUIPMENT PORTION OF THE POOLS BROUGHT BACK UP TO USABLE CONDITION IN ALL THREE OF THE HIGH SCHOOLS, AND WE GAVE THEM A TIMELINE OF SOMEWHERE WE WANTED TO GET 10-20 YEARS OUT OF THE EQUIPMENT PIECE OF THE POOL.
THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO SEE IN HERE ARE BASED ON THAT GUIDANCE THAT WE GAVE TO ACO POOL.
THE FIRST POOL THAT WE'LL START WITH IS EAST HIGH POOL.
ALL THREE OF THESE POOLS WERE BUILT WITHIN MONTHS OF EACH OTHER.
I BELIEVE THE PLAN DATES ON MOST OF THEM WERE 1971, AND WERE CONSTRUCTED IN THAT ERA WITH MINIMAL MAINTENANCE OVER THE COURSE OF THE YEARS.
ACTUALLY, THE MAJORITY OF THE THINGS THAT YOU'LL SEE ARE ORIGINAL.
EAST HIGH POOL SHOWS THE MAIN WATER FILL LINE COMING IN THAT COMES IN AND FILLS INTO THE BALLAST TANK THAT IS BEHIND IT.
THIS IS THE BALANCE TANK THAT IS SHOWN BEHIND THE POOL.
THAT'S WHERE AS THE WATER GOES OVER THE GUTTER, IT FLOWS INTO THIS TANK SO THAT IT DOESN'T RUSH EVERYTHING DOWN LINE.
ALL THREE OF THE SCHOOLS HAVE THEM THEY'RE JUST A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT IN DESIGN.
THERE'S A STRAINER POT THAT IS ORIGINAL TO THE 1971 DESIGN.
THE BALLAST TANKS WERE PUT IN I BELIEVE THOSE WERE UPDATED AT LEAST ONCE SINCE THE POOL WAS BUILT.
THIS IS SHOWING THE PIPING THAT COMES IN.
MOST OF THE PIPING IN EAST HIGH HAS BEEN UPDATED ON THE MAJORITY OF THE EQUIPMENT.
THIS IS THE CHEMICAL CONTROLS.
THIS IS PROBABLY IN MY ESTIMATE 30 YEARS OLD AND CONTROLS ALL OF THE INJECTION SYSTEMS FOR CHLORINE AND ACID INTO THE SYSTEMS. THIS IS THE HEAT EXCHANGER THAT NEEDS TO BE REPLACED ALONG WITH THE CURRENT BOILER THAT IS AT EAST HIGH.
I SHOWED THE SAND FILTER, BUT I WANT TO SHOW A AREA OF CONCERN, AND THIS IS PROBABLY THE SCHOOL THAT I HAVE THE BIGGEST CONCERN WITH IS IF YOU'LL NOTICE RIGHT BEHIND THAT SAND FILTER IS THE MAIN ELECTRICAL DISTRIBUTION PANEL FOR EAST HIGH SCHOOL.
THERE WAS A LEAK IN THE 90S THAT CAUSED DAMAGE TO THE ELECTRICAL SYSTEM, AND YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE WAS AN ATTEMPT TO PREVENT THIS IN THE FUTURE BY PUTTING A GUTTER, WHICH YOU SEE IN ORANGE DOWN BELOW IN FRONT OF IT.
HOWEVER, ANYTHING CATASTROPHIC THAT WOULD LEAK FROM THIS IS GOING TO DUMP A LOT OF
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WATER IN A SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME AND I FEEL THAT THIS IS A CATASTROPHIC RISK.THIS IS THE ONLY POOL OF THE THREE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT THAT HAS ALL OF THE EQUIPMENT IN A COMMON SPACE AS A MECHANICAL SPACE.
I JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT AS WELL AS WE'RE GOING THROUGH THIS PRESENTATION.
YOU CAN SEE ANOTHER IMAGE OF THAT SAND FILTER SITTING RIGHT IN FRONT OF IT, ALL THE WATER FROM THE POOLS THAT'S FILTERING GOES THROUGH THAT SAND FILTER. NORTH HIGH.
WE'LL MOVE ON TO NORTH HIGH AND TAKE A LOOK AT NORTH HIGH REPAIRS THAT ARE REQUIRED.
ONCE AGAIN, THERE'S A GUTTER ON THE TOP OF THE POOL WHERE ALL THE WATER FLOWS IN.
IT'S TAKEN DOWN TO A LOWER LEVEL, WHERE IT FLOWS THROUGH THE SKIMMER PIPES, WHERE IT IS FILTERED, TREATED, AND THEN RETURNED BACK INTO THE POOL.
THEY ARE BLISTERED IN MANY AREAS AND LEAKING.
THE PROPOSAL WOULD BE TO REPLACE THE SKIMMER PIPES AT ALL OF THE NORTH HIGH LOCATION.
THIS ONE IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT BECAUSE THEY'RE EXPOSED.
YOU'LL SEE AS WE GET INTO THIS LITTLE BIT WHAT WE'RE GOING TO RECOMMEND.
THESE ARE THE SKIMMER LINES COMING FROM THE POOL DECK DOWN TO THE EQUIPMENT ROOM DOWN BELOW.
THESE ARE THE LINES COMING ONCE THE WATER HAS BEEN TREATED THAT RETURNS TO THE POOL.
THESE WERE REPLACED SOMEWHERE IN THE 10 YEAR RANGE, AND THEY'VE ALL BEEN REPLACED WITH WHAT IS CALLED SCHEDULE 80 CPVC.
IF THIS IS INSTALLED CORRECTLY AND ONCE IT'S PUT IN, IT REALLY DOESN'T HAVE A LIFE EXPECTANCY, IT'LL GO FOREVER.
BUT THAT WOULD BE WHAT WE WOULD REPLACE ALL OF THOSE BLISTERED PIPES WITH.
YOU CAN SEE ONCE AGAIN, THE TREATED LINE THAT WAS REPLACED A FEW YEARS BACK.
THIS IS THE ORIGINAL SKIMMER TANK FROM 1971.
THE CONCERN WITH THIS IS AS THE WATER COMES INTO THE SKIMMER TANK, AS LONG AS THE PUMP IS RUNNING AND THERE'S POWER RUNNING TO THAT PUMP, IT RETURNS IT TO THE POOL HOWEVER, IF THERE WAS EVER A FAILURE OF THIS SKIMMER TANK OR THE PUMP, THAT WOULD LEAK WATER INTO THIS MECHANICAL SPACE AND THEN IT ALSO LEADS OUT THROUGH A CORRIDOR TO WHERE THE REMAINDER OF THE BOILER ROOM AND OTHER MECHANICAL SERVICES ARE THAT COME INTO THE BUILDING.
ORIGINAL MAIN POOL VALVE COMING IN FROM THE POOL.
THE MAIN DRAIN VALVE, I SHOULD SAY.
ANOTHER AREA OF CONCERN WE HAVE IS THIS HAS AN OVERHEAD HEAT EXCHANGER THAT IS LEAKING AND WE HAVE REQUESTED THAT WE REPLACE THIS HEAT EXCHANGER AS WELL, SO IT DOESN'T FAIL, AND THEN ALSO FAIL ON ANY PUMPS OR EQUIPMENT THAT IS BELOW IT.
YOU CAN ALSO SEE THAT SOME OF THE CHEMICAL LINES THAT ARE GOING INTO THAT GRAY CPVC WOULD NEED TO BE REPLACED AND UPGRADED AS WELL.
THAT'S COMMON MAINTENANCE THAT HAPPENS THOUGH, THAT'S NOTHING THAT'S REALLY AN AREA OF CONCERN. WEST HIGH POOL.
THIS IS PROBABLY THE MOST SIGNIFICANT REPAIRS THAT NEED TO BE DONE, AND YOU'LL SEE THERE'S A LOT OF ELECTRICAL AND COMPONENTS OF THIS ONE THAT ARE IN NEED OF REPAIR.
THE BALANCE TANK ON THIS ONE IS DIFFERENT, BUT IT'S PROBABLY THE BEST SETUP OF THE BALANCE TANK.
IT TAKES UP A SMALL AMOUNT OF REAL ESTATE.
IT ALSO HAS BACK-FLOW PREVENTION TO IT.
THIS WOULD BE THE TYPE OF BALANCE TANK THAT WE WOULD RECOMMEND WE WOULD REPLACE AT NORTH HIGH IF WE ARE APPROVED TO MAKE THE REPAIRS.
THE STRAINER POT IS ORIGINAL, THAT WOULD BE UPDATED AS WELL THROUGH THE ACO PROPOSAL.
WEST HIGH ALSO NEEDS TO HAVE A BOILER REPLACED ALONG WITH EAST HIGH, NORTH HIGH.
THE SCHOOL BOARD APPROVED LAST YEAR TO REPLACE NORTH HIGH'S BOILER FOR THE POOL, BUT BOTH EAST AND WEST DO NEED BOILERS REPAIRED.
THERE'S TWO BOILERS HERE AND ONE OF THEM IS CURRENTLY WORKING, BUT ONE IS FAILED AND SHOULD BE REPLACED.
EAST HIGH HAS ONE BOILER SERVING IT AND IT IS DOWN AND THAT'S WHY THAT POOL IS OUT OF COMMISSION RIGHT NOW.
A LOT OF THIS IS RANGING FROM GUTTER LEAKS FROM THE POOL DECK THAT HAVE COME DOWN AND DRIPPED ON THESE PANELS.
YOU CAN SEE THE ELECTRICAL PIPES ARE EXTREMELY CORRODED IN NEED OF REPLACEMENT.
IF YOU LOOK UP TOP, YOU SEE THAT CONCRETE WHERE IT SLANTS A LITTLE BIT.
THAT IS THE GUTTER OF THE POOL ABOVE, AND THAT HAS SOME LEAKS THAT ARE IN IT THAT ARE CAUSING THAT WHITE DEPOSIT THAT YOU SEE ALONG WITH RUSTING OF THE PIPES.
IT IS STAINLESS STEEL, BUT THE PIPING THAT GOES INTO IT WAS NOT THAT'S GOING TO NEED TO BE REPLACED AS WELL.
THIS IS SOME JUST ELECTRICAL SWITCHES THAT CONTROL PUMPS AND STARTERS AND MOTORS IN THE EQUIPMENT ROOM, RUSTED AND IN NEED OF REPAIR AND IN NEED OF CODE UPDATE TO MAKE THEM SAFE AND SECURE FOR FUTURE YEARS.
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ONCE AGAIN, ANOTHER LOOK AT THOSE ELECTRICAL PIPES WHERE THE GUTTER IS LEAKING AND HAS RUSTED THE PIPES.THIS ONE ALSO HAS AN OVERHEAD HEAT EXCHANGER.
YOU CAN SEE IN THE MIDDLE WHERE THE VALVE ON THE ONE SIDE MOUNTS TO THE HEAT EXCHANGER.
THERE IS SOME CORROSION THERE.
THAT HEAT EXCHANGER HAS BEEN LEAKING, AND WE WOULD LIKE TO GET THAT ONE DOWN ON THE GROUND LEVEL WITH NEW HEAT EXCHANGER, AND HAVE THAT REPLACED.
THAT ONE HAS BEEN REPLACED SINCE THE POOLS BEEN INSTALLED, BUT IT'S PROBABLY IN THAT 30 YEAR RANGE.
MORE LEAKS FROM THE POOL GUTTER.
THIS IS THE CORNER OF THE POOL HAS CONSIDERABLE LEAKING GOING ON, AS YOU CAN SEE BY THE DEPOSITS.
IF YOU SEE THE LITTLE BLUE WINDOW THAT'S IN THE BACK, THE POOL WINDOW ALSO HAS SOME LEAKS.
I THINK I MIGHT HAVE THAT IN ANOTHER PICTURE. THERE WE GO.
ALSO HAS SOME LEAKS. THE RECOMMENDATION IS THAT WAS USED FOR, I BELIEVE DIVING COMPETITIONS AND IS NO LONGER NEEDED FOR THE METRO TEAM OR ANYTHING ALONG THAT LINE.
WE WOULD TAKE THAT WINDOW OUT AND JUST SEAL THAT IN SO THAT WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT ANY FUTURE REPAIRS THAT WOULD NEED TO COME FROM THAT.
ALL OF THE FILTERS ON ALL THREE OF THE POOLS ARE MADE OUT OF FIBERGLASS, PLASTIC PIPING GOING INTO THEM.
THE MAINTENANCE THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN IS YOU REPLACE THE SAND IN THEM.
BUT REALLY, THERE'S NO LEAKS OR ANYTHING CATASTROPHIC WITH THEM.
I THINK THEY'RE EASILY GOOD FOR AT LEAST THE NEXT 10-20 YEARS.
THIS IS THE LAST SLIDE OF POOL SENSORS THAT JUST THROUGHOUT THE WEST POOL THAT WOULD NEED TO BE REPLACED DUE TO CORROSION.
IT GETS DOWN TO THE POOL REPAIR COSTS.
IF YOU'LL NOTICE ON YOUR SLIDE, WEST HIGH AND EAST HIGH ARE BOTH IN NEED OF A NEW BOILER SYSTEM TO PUT IN COST OF THAT BOILER, 45,688.
THE BOILER INSTALLATION IS ESTIMATED AT 20,000 PER LOCATION, AND THEN THE PLATE AND FRAME HEAT EXCHANGER WOULD GO ON ALL THREE OF THE SCHOOLS AS RECOMMENDED.
THE INSTALLATION FOR THAT PLATE AND FRAME ESTIMATE OF 12,000.
THE ELECTRICAL REPAIRS FOR WEST HIGH ARE ESTIMATED AT 35,000, EAST AND NORTH HAVE NO SIGNIFICANT ELECTRICAL REPAIRS THAT ARE NEEDED.
EACH OF THE THREE POOLS WOULD NEED TO BE PAINTED.
THE $10,000 WOULD ALLOW FOR AN EPOXY PAINT TO REPAINT THOSE POOLS, WHICH SHOULD GIVE US ABOUT A 10 YEAR LIFE EXPECTANCY IF WE DON'T USE EPOXY AND JUST USE REGULAR POOL PAINT.
THEY'RE USUALLY PAINTED EVERY FIVE YEARS.
THE SUM OF ALL THE REPAIRS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT A LITTLE BIT AGO AS YOU SEE THE ACL REPAIR COMES IN AT 129 FOR WEST HIGH, 110,000 FOR EAST HIGH AND 180,000 FOR NORTH HIGH SCHOOL.
WHAT'S NOT COVERED IN THE LISTED REPAIRS? YOU'RE GOING TO SEE SOME OF THESE WERE QUESTIONS FROM BOARD MEMBERS.
I'VE TRIED TO ANSWER EVERYTHING IN MY WHEEL HOUSE ON THE NEXT FEW SLIDES.
I TRIED TO ANSWER ALL THE QUESTIONS.
AIR HANDLERS AND HEX UNITS FOR THE POOL DECK.
THESE ARE THE AIR HANDLERS THAT SERVE JUST THE POOL DECK TO CONTROL HUMIDITY, AND TEMPERATURE IN THOSE AREAS.
THOSE WERE NOT INCLUDED IN THAT REPAIR COST.
THEY ARE ORIGINAL TO THE DESIGN OF THE THREE HIGH SCHOOLS, AND THEY HAVE AN ESTIMATED UPGRADE OF 100,000 PER POOL.
I WOULD LOOK FOR THOSE TO BE SOMETHING THAT COULD FAIL AND NEED SOME TYPE OF REPAIR WITHIN THE NEXT LONG TERM FIVE YEARS.
BUT LESS THAN FIVE YEARS, WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO HAVE SOME REPAIRS DONE ON THOSE, IF NOT REPLACED.
ANYTHING ON THE DECK OF THE POOL IS NOT COVERED IN THE COST OF THOSE REPAIRS.
THE POOL COVERS, I BELIEVE, WERE INSTALLED IN 2016 AND THE FLOORING ON THE SURFACE OF THE DECK WAS NOT COVERED IN THOSE REPAIRS.
ALONG WITH DESIGN AND ENGINEERING FEES, THIS PROJECT WOULD REQUIRE A FORMAL DESIGN BY A LICENSED ARCHITECT.
IT WOULD ALSO REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING, SIMILAR TO WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH THE ELEVATOR IN A LITTLE BIT, AND THEN A FORMAL BIDDING PROCESS.
I ESTIMATED FROM SOME WORK THAT WE'VE DONE WITH GEO ENGINEERING AND ARCHITECTURAL, THEY ARE ABOUT 10-15% OF THE PROJECT TOTAL THAT THEY CHARGE AND THOSE DESIGN FEES.
THAT WOULD BE ON TOP OF ANY OF THESE REPAIR COSTS THAT WE SPOKE ABOUT A LITTLE BIT AGO.
ALL THE FEES ARE PRESENTED AS COST ESTIMATES.
THE ACTUAL COST WILL PROBABLY INCREASE BECAUSE BY THE TIME WE GET TO THE BIDDING STAGE, COSTS ARE JUST GOING UP AS WE SPEAK.
THIS IS THE ANNUAL COST OF WHAT IT COSTS TO OPERATE THE POOLS, AND WE'LL RUN THROUGH ALL THREE OF THESE REAL QUICK.
EAST HIGH SCHOOL HAS 2747 IN CHEMICALS.
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EVERYTHING ON THESE POOLS FROM THE PUMPS TO THE HVAC RUNS 247365 A YEAR.WE DO NOT SHUT ANY OF THIS OFF FOR ENERGY MANAGEMENT JUST TO KEEP THE WATER FLOWING.
WE DO TRICKLE THE BOILERS DOWN A LITTLE BIT WHEN WE KNOW THEY'RE NOT IN USE, BUT THE RECOVERY TIME JUST TAKES TOO LONG, SO WE KEEP EVERYTHING RUNNING MOST OF THE TIME ON THE POOLS.
THAT'S 115 WATER USAGE, 3,800 PER YEAR, WATER HEATING, 14,000.
THAT WAS ADJUSTED FROM THE LAST TIME WE DID THIS ESTIMATE BECAUSE THE ORIGINAL ONE WAS ON THE VERY FIRST YEAR WE HAD OUR NATURAL GAS PROGRAM, AND WITH THE PRICE CHANGES OF NATURAL GAS, WE'VE INCORPORATED THAT.
STAFF TIME ANNUALLY, OUR STAFF MEMBERS SPEND ABOUT 12 HOURS PER DAY PER POOL.
WE HAVE THREE BUILDING ENGINEERS THAT SPEND ABOUT 12 HOURS PER DAY, TESTING WATER, CLEANING, WORKING ON THE POOL DECK AROUND IT.
THAT'S ESTIMATED AROUND 20,000 PER YEAR ANNUALLY.
THEN EACH OF THOSE STAFF MEMBERS IS REQUIRED TO HAVE A CERTIFIED POOL OPERATOR LICENSE, AND THAT COSTS THE DISTRICT EACH YEAR $250.
SAME THING WITH NORTH HIGH 2541 FOR CHEMICALS, 10,500 FOR ELECTRIC WATER 33000, 14,000 FOR HEATING.
STAFF TIME IS THE SAME AND 250 FOR THAT CPO.
WEST HIGH SCHOOL, 4,064 12,500 IN UTILITY COSTS, WATER 3,500, 14,000 FOR HEATING, 20,000 ANNUALLY FOR STAFF AND 250 FOR THE CPO LICENSE.
THE SIOUXLAND SHARKS IN THEIR CURRENT LEASE EAST HIGH SCHOOLS POOL FOR $9,658 ANNUALLY WITH AN AUTO RENEWAL, I BELIEVE THAT WAS SIGNED IN 2019.
THE LEASE RUNS MONDAY THROUGH THURSDAY, 6:30 AM TO 7:45 AM, AND MONDAY THROUGH THURSDAY, 4:00-9:00 P.M, AND ON FRIDAYS 4:00-5:30 THROUGH THE MONTHS OF SEPTEMBER THROUGH MAY.
DURING THE SUMMER MONTHS, JUNE THROUGH AUGUST, MONDAY THROUGH THURSDAY, 6:30-12:00 PM, AND FRIDAYS, 3:45-7:00 FOR A TOTAL OF 303 HOURS IN THE SUMMER MONTHS, AND I FORGOT TO MENTION 954 HOURS APPROXIMATE.
THESE ARE APPROXIMATE HOURS, BUT PER WHAT THE CONTRACT OFFERS, THEY USE THE POOL OR HAVE THE OPTION TO USE THE POOL 1,257 HOURS.
THE MARINERS BASED ON A NORTH HIGH HAVE $5,100 ANNUALLY IN LEASE FEES FOR THE POOL WITH AN AUTO RENEWAL.
THERE IS MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY, 6:00-8:00 PM.
SEPTEMBER THROUGH MARCH FOR APPROXIMATELY 280 HOURS.
IN THE SUMMER MONTHS, JUNE THROUGH JULY, THEY USE THE POOL MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY 12:00-2:00 PM FOR APPROXIMATE 80 HOURS AND A TOTAL ANNUAL USAGE OF 360 HOURS.
BREAKING THIS DOWN, IF YOU TAKE THE ANNUAL LEASE PAYMENT THAT THEY HAVE DIVIDED BY THE NUMBER OF HOURS THAT THEY USE THE POOL, THE SHARKS PAY $7.68 PER HOUR AND THE MARINERS PAY $14 PER HOUR.
I'M TRYING TO ANSWER SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WERE PRESENTED BY BOARD MEMBERS WITH THIS SLIDE.
CURRENT DISTRICT COST PER HOUR OF USE, WHICH IS TAKING THAT APPROXIMATELY 52,000 PER POOL DIVIDED BY THE NUMBER OF HOURS OF USE.
IT COST THE DISTRICT FOR THE SHARKS $41.60 AND THE MARINERS $140, AND THAT'S JUST DUE TO THE USAGE OF TIME THAT THEY USE THOSE POOLS.
THE PROPOSED NEW LEASE WITH THE SIOUXLAND SHARKS FOR EAST HIGH IS THEY WOULD PAY $209,220 FOR A 10 YEAR PERIOD OF LEASE.
THEY'D PAY ONE LUMP PAYMENT TO COVER THE REPAIR COSTS THAT WE SPOKE ABOUT EARLIER.
WITH DOING SO, THAT WOULD FULFILL THEIR LEASE FOR THE TEN YEAR PERIOD.
IN THE NEW LEASE, THOUGH THE HOURS HAVE CHANGED, THE LEASE HOURS ARE MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY, 5:00-7:30 AM.
ON MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY, 4:30-9:00 PM.
SEPTEMBER THROUGH MAY, SO APPROXIMATELY 1,440 HOURS PER YEAR.
THEN IN THE SUMMER MONTHS, JUNE THROUGH AUGUST 6:30 AM TO 8:00 PM APPROXIMATELY 810 HOURS FOR A TOTAL USAGE OF 2250.
THE MARINERS AT NORTH HIGH SCHOOL WOULD PAY THE 213,220 FOR A 10 YEAR PERIOD.
THE HOURS ARE THE SAME AS WE SPOKE ABOUT WITH THE SHARKS.
THEY WOULD USE APPROXIMATELY FROM SEPTEMBER THROUGH MAY 1,440 HOURS, AND THEN JUNE THROUGH AUGUST FROM THAT TIME FRAME, 810 HOURS FOR A TOTAL OF 2250.
WITH THE ADDITIONAL HOURS, THERE WILL ALSO BE HIGHER OPERATIONAL COSTS THAT I HAVEN'T FIGURED IN TO THE PROPOSAL THAT I SHOWED YOU EARLIER, BUT WE'RE JUST GOING TO GO OFF OF THE CURRENT COST THAT WE KNOW THE POOLS OPERATE PER HOUR CHARGE FOR THE SHARKS, USE OF EAST HIGH SCHOOL POOL WOULD BE $9.29 PER HOUR, AND THE MARINERS WOULD BE $9.47.
THAT'S JUST THE DIFFERENCE OF THE 213 AND THE 209,
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THAT MAKES A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENCE.THE CURRENT DISTRICT COST PER HOUR USE WITH THEM USING THE MORE HOURS TIME.
THE DISTRICT WOULD PAY ABOUT $23 AN HOUR FOR THE USE OF THE POOLS AND THE MARINERS WOULD PAY ABOUT $22.
THE CURRENT BOARD APPROVED FEES FOR THE USE OF THE POOL, REFERENCING AR 1004.1 IS $300 PER HOUR WITH A MINIMUM USE OF TWO HOURS, AND THAT DOES NOT COVER ANY LIFEGUARDS OR STAFF THAT WOULD HAVE TO CLEAN THE POOL AFTERWARDS.
THAT IS ALL ADDITIONAL ON TOP OF THAT.
THE REMAINDER OF THE BOARD QUESTIONS THAT I RECEIVED THAT I COVERED OR WHO ARE THE USERS OF THE POOLS, THE SHARKS AND MARINERS USE EAST AND NORTH HIGHS POOL? THE METRO SWIM TEAM USES WEST HIGH POOL, AND THAT'S THE DISTRICT SWIM TEAM.
WHO PAYS THE RENT FOR EAST AND NORTH? THE SHARKS AND MARINERS, PAY FOR THE USE.
FOR THE COST OF REPAIR, WHAT IS THE LIFE EXPECTANCY? I ESTIMATE ANYWHERE 10-15 YEARS AND POSSIBLY STRETCH IT OUT TO 20.
THAT WOULD BE ON THE LONG END OF THINGS.
WHAT ARE THE ONGOING OPERATIONAL COSTS? I THINK I COVERED THAT IN THAT SLIDE EARLIER.
IF WE DO NOT HAVE WATER IN THE POOLS, WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO THEM? THE BEST OPTION FOR THEM WOULD BE TO FILL THEM IN WITH CONCRETE AND JUST FILL THEM IN WITH DIRT.
I ESTIMATE THAT WOULD BE ABOUT $25,000 WOULD FILL IN THOSE TWO POOLS, JUST GET CONCRETE OVER THE TOP OF THEM.
WE'D ABANDON ALL OF THE EQUIPMENT AND INFRASTRUCTURE.
THE NEW BOILER, I GUESS, FOR NORTH HIGH ARE SIMILAR TO ALL THE OTHER BOILERS, SO WE COULD USE THAT ONE SOMEWHERE ELSE IN THE DISTRICT.
IN THE SHORT TERM, THE BEST THING TO DO A FORM WOULD BE DRAIN THE POOLS AND JUST TURN THE PUMPS AND BOILERS OFF IF WE'RE NOT GOING TO MAKE THE REPAIRS TO THEM.
WHAT IS THE INSURANCE DECREASE WITHOUT THE POOLS? I HAD TROY THOMAS CHECK WITH OUR INSURANCE CARRIER, AND BEINGS, WE HAVE SUCH A CATASTROPHIC PLAN AS IT IS, THERE'S NO DECREASE TO THE INSURANCE FOR KEEPING THE POOLS OPEN.
ARE THE POOL DECKS IN GOOD SHAPE, AND WHAT IS THE REPLACEMENT COST? I'D SAY THEY'RE IN FAIR SHAPE.
IT HAS A EPOXY FLOOR TO IT AND THAT'S BEEN REPLACED REAL RECENTLY.
THE REPLACEMENT ESTIMATE PER POOL GOES AROUND 75,000 -100,000 DO TO PUT THAT EPOXY FLOOR DOWN LIKE IS THAT WEST.
DO ALL POOLS NEED TO BE ADA? YES, THEY SHOULD ALL BE ADA AND WE HAVE POWER LIFTS AT EAST HIGH AND NORTH HIGH'S ENTRANCE.
WEST HIGH IS COVERED THOUGH, BECAUSE IT HAS AN ENTRANCE RIGHT OFF OF THE SIDEWALK TO COME IN.
IT'S ADA COMPLIANT FOR NOT ONLY SPECTATORS BUT THE PARTICIPANTS AS WELL.
DO YOUTH GROUPS CARRY CATASTROPHIC INSURANCE? YES, THEY DO.
THEY DO CARRY THE DISTRICT MINIMUM FOR THE INSURANCE THAT WE REQUIRE FOR THE POOLS ON CATASTROPHIC INSURANCE.
THAT WAS THE QUESTIONS AND THE PRESENTATION THAT I HAVE FOR EVERYONE.
I KNOW THAT MR. VANDER LOU HAS SOME OTHER ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON USAGE FOR THE DISTRICT SWIM TEAM AND OTHER USERS OF THE POOL BUT THAT'S WHAT I HAVE SO IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THOSE AFTER JIM ANSWERS HIS PART OF IT.
>> I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION FOR YOU.
YOU SAID EPOXY WAS ABOUT, WHAT WAS THAT? 10,000 PER POOL? IS THAT WHAT THAT WAS?
>> ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT FOR THE PAINT?
>> YOU SAID THAT LAST PROBABLY 10 YEARS.
REGULAR PAINT LAST MAYBE FIVE YEARS.
WHAT'S THE COST DIFFERENCE THERE? JUST CURIOUS.
>> I WOULD IMAGINE IT'S PROBABLY ABOUT HALF THE COST IF WE DIDN'T USE EPOXY PAINT.
>> I HAD [NOISE] A QUESTION YOU SAID, THIS IS FOR THE UPGRADING OF THE EQUIPMENT.
THIS THEN ASSUMES THAT STRUCTURALLY THE POOLS THEMSELVES WILL NOT DEVELOP LEAKS, SETTLEMENT, ALL SORTS OF THINGS OF THAT NATURE THAT YOU'RE NOT ASSUMING THAT THAT WOULD HAPPEN.
THIS IS WHAT YOU HAD A CHANCE TO QUANTIFY WHAT YOU QUANTIFIED AND WHAT YOU CAN'T QUANTIFY, YOU CAN'T.
>> THE AREAS THAT PRIMARILY LEAK ON AN INDOOR POOL ARE THE GUTTERS, AND AS YOU CAN SEE, WEST IS A PRIME EXAMPLE OF THAT THAT HAS LEAKED.
I DID ASK ACO IF THERE'S A CHANCE.
THERE'S ALWAYS A CHANCE, BUT 50 YEARS, AND WE HAVEN'T HAD ANYTHING CATASTROPHIC FOR A LEAK, PROBABLY WILL LEAD US TO BELIEVE THAT THOSE HAVE SETTLED AND EVERYTHING AROUND THEM IS NOT GOING TO BE AN ISSUE.
I THINK THE STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY OF THE CEMENT OF THE POOL WAS PROBABLY GOING TO LAST THAT TIMEFRAME THAT WE LAID OUT FOR THEM.
>> THANK YOU. THANKS FOR THIS VERY COMPREHENSIVE WORK OUT. I APPRECIATE IT.
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WHEN IT CAME TO THE ELECTRICAL ON THE POOL REPAIR COSTS, YOU MENTIONED THAT EAST HIGH'S ELECTRICAL PANEL IS IN A VERY PRECARIOUS SITUATION, BUT YET YOU HAVE NO REPAIR ESTIMATE UNLESS THAT'S SOMEWHERE ELSE OF MOVING AT OR WHATEVER, WHEN IT COMES TO THE REPAIR COSTS ON THE EAST HIGH.
HOW WOULD YOU SECURE THAT AREA SO IT DOESN'T GET FLOODED OUT?
>> THE BEST SOLUTION IS TO REMOVE THE POOL EQUIPMENT AND RELOCATE THE POOL EQUIPMENT, WHICH WOULD REQUIRE BUILDING AN ADDITIONAL SPACE ONTO THAT MECHANICAL ROOM AND RELOCATING ALL OF THE POOL EQUIPMENT IN THERE.
I WOULD ESTIMATE THAT TO BE SOMEWHERE $500,000- $1,000,000 EASILY TO MOVE THAT EQUIPMENT.
>> IN THE MEANTIME, THAT LITTLE GUTTER IS PROBABLY NOT GOING TO HOLD IT.
>> WE'RE AT RISK IF IT'S GOT WATER IN IT.
>> ON THE POOL OPERATIONAL COST, ROUGHLY $157,000.
I MEAN, IF WE DID ALL THIS NEW POOL EQUIPMENT CONSTRUCTION, WOULD YOU REALLY SAVE MUCH ON ELECTRICAL, HVAC, WATER? IT'S BASICALLY GOING TO BE A SIMILAR OPERATING COST.
>> MAYBE A SMALL PORTION OF GOING FROM A BOILER AT WEST AND EAST THAT IS CURRENTLY 80% EFFICIENT TO 96% EFFICIENT? BUT NEGLIGIBLE. THE PUMPS RUN ALL THE TIME, THERE'S NO EFFICIENCE TO SEE DIFFERENT
>> MR. VANDER LOU, IF I SAW YOUR NUMBERS THAT WERE SUBMITTED EARLIER, I'LL CALL IT HIGH SCHOOL PARTICIPANTS IN THE SWIM CLUB.
IF WE TAKE THAT 157,000 AND I THINK THE LAST TWO YEARS THERE WERE 20 PARTICIPANTS FOR THOSE CLUBS THAT CAME FROM THE PUBLIC SCHOOLS, AND THE YEAR I THINK, 2021 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THEY WERE LIKE 24.
BUT IF I JUST USE 20 FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS IN A ROW AND TAKE THIS $157,000 ANNUAL COST, DIVIDE THAT BY THOSE 20.
THAT'S ALMOST $7,900 PER STUDENT.
IS THAT APPROXIMATELY THE HIGH VARSITY OR HIGH SCHOOL PARTICIPANTS?
>> YEAH. BOTTOM. [BACKGROUND] YEAH.
HELLO. I'M NOT SURE MR. GREENWELL, OF THE MATH BUT THOSE NUMBERS ARE CORRECT.
WE HAD 20 STUDENTS FOR TWO OF THE THREE YEARS AND CLOSE TO 30 ON THE THIRD YEAR.
BUT THOSE TOTAL NUMBER OF SIOUX CITY COMMUNITY SCHOOL DISTRICT STUDENTS ON OUR SWIM TEAMS WOULD BE BETWEEN 20 AND 30 EACH OF THE LAST THREE YEARS.
>> DO WE SPEND $7,800 ON ANY OTHER EXTRACURRICULAR SPORTS PER PARTICIPANT?
>> I DON'T HAVE THAT DATA IN FRONT OF ME BUT WE'D BE HARD PRESSED TO SPEND THAT KIND OF MONEY IN ANY PROGRAM TOTAL.
RADS ARE WITH US. THEY COULD PROBABLY TELL YOU SPECIFICALLY WITH EACH PROGRAM, BUT FROM WHERE I SIT, THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY.
>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. PAUL AT THIS TIME?
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, TIM, FOR PUTTING THIS TOGETHER. DIRECTOR MILLER?
>> THE POOL REPAIRS, IF WE WERE TO INCORPORATE ALL OF THEM, I WOULD ASSUME SALES TAX DOLLARS OR GENERAL FUND DOLLARS IS WHAT WE WOULD HAVE TO USE.
>> THEY ARE. WE WOULD HAVE TO MAKE ARRANGEMENTS TO THOSE.
WE'VE GOT A FIVE YEAR PLAN FOR THE SALES TAX.
>> DIRECTOR GEORGE, THIS IS [INAUDIBLE] A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
IF WE DON'T DO ALL OF THE REPAIRS TODAY, EAST POOL IS DOWN RIGHT NOW.
WE CAN DO THAT FIRST AND THEN [INAUDIBLE]
>> I WOULDN'T GO ANY MORE THAN TWO YEARS FOR A LOT OF THESE REPAIRS JUST WITH THE WAY THAT SOME OF THEM ARE LEAKING AND CAUSING ISSUES.
I WOULD SAY THE LONGEST I'D WANT TO WAIT ON ANY OF THE REPAIRS WOULD BE TWO YEARS.
BUT WE COULD PICK OFF THE MOST IMPORTANT PIECES, RIGHT OFF THE BAT TO KEEP THEM OPERATIONAL.
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>> POTENTIALLY. I'M NOT GOING TO SAY THINGS COULDN'T FAIL, BUT POTENTIALLY WE COULD GO ON THAT TIME LINE, WHICH IS PROBABLY FAIRLY REALISTIC BECAUSE THERE'S GOING TO BE DESIGN TIME AND CONTRACTOR TIME TO GET IN AND MAKE THOSE REPAIRS.
>> YEAH. I'M GOING TO GRAB THE ACO QUOTE AND LOOK AT THAT.
THAT IS A GOOD POINT BECAUSE A LOT OF THOSE REPAIRS, LIKE THE BOILER WAS REPLACED, BUT THE PIPING, DIRECTOR MILLER, THAT CPVC PIPING, NORTH IS ONE OF THE ONLY ONES.
EAST HAS A LOT OF THAT PIPE ALREADY PUT IN AND WEST THE EQUIPMENT IS SO CLOSE TO THE POOL, IT DOESN'T REALLY HAVE TO SPAN VERY FAR, AND IT ALSO HAS A LOT OF THE CPVC PIPING IN ALREADY, BUT A LOT OF THE COST ON THE NORTH HIGH POOL, I BELIEVE WAS DUE TO THE PIPING AND I'M GOING TO PULL THAT UP RIGHT NOW.
THEY WERE REPLACING THE POOL VIEWING WINDOW AT NORTH HIGH AS WELL.
THE BIGGEST PRICE TAG DIFFERENCE ON NORTH HIGH'S WAS, THERE'S A LOT OF LABOR COST FOR INSTALLING THAT PIPING.
THEY HAD A 100,000 TO 110,000 AND THE GUTTER PIPING WAS 85,000.
I THINK THE GUTTER PIPING IS WHAT'S GOT THAT PRICE DRIVEN UP SO HIGH.
TIM, THE WATER PIPE COMING INTO THE BUILDINGS, HAS THAT BEEN REPLACED OR DO WE HAVE TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.
>> NO. THEY'RE ALL ORIGINAL TO ALL THREE OF THOSE HIGH SCHOOLS AS WELL.
I BELIEVE EAST HAS A COPPER PIPE COMING INTO IT.
I DON'T THINK ANY OF THEM HAVE CAST, SO I THINK THEY'RE ALL COPPER.
WE'LL GET A FEW MORE YEARS OUT OF THAT.
THAT DOESN'T REALLY CONCERN ME.
>> DO WE KNOW WHERE THE SHUT OFFS ARE?
>> FOR THE POOLS AND THE MAIN WATERS.
>> SERGEANT BLUFFLING, WE DID NOT KNOW WHERE THEY WERE FOR THE MIDDLE SCHOOL, AND IT CAUSED HOURS OF DELAY AND LOTS OF DAMAGE, SO THANK YOU.
>> NO, THEY ARE ALL LABELED AND THE ENGINEERS KNOW.
ALL THINGS CONSTRUCTION THAT I AM.
THERE IS A REGULAR MAINTENANCE SCHEDULE, I AS PRESUME.
IT JUST SEEMS LIKE SOME OF THESE THINGS DIDN'T JUST HAPPEN IN THE LAST SIX MONTHS.
>> WHY IS IT THAT THIS WAS AN ONGOING ISSUE AND IT'S JUST NOW BEING ADDRESSED.
DID I MISS SOMETHING IN PREVIOUS DISCUSSIONS?
>> NO, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
THERE WAS NOT ONGOING REPLACEMENT CYCLE FOR BOILERS.
THE BOILERS WERE ALL PUT IN IN THAT 2004 ERA, AND AT THE TIME THAT A LOT OF THE UPGRADES WERE MADE FOR, AND I'M JUST TALKING BOILERS RIGHT NOW THERE WAS A GROUP THAT CAME IN THE BAKER GROUP, THEY DID AN ASSESSMENT OF THE SCHOOLS TO TRY TO GET SOME ENERGY EFFICIENCY GOING ON, AND THEY DID A BLANKET PROJECT OVER EVERYTHING WITH THAT LIFE EXPECTANCY.
THOSE BOILERS ARE COMING TO THE END OF THEIR LIFE EXPECTANCY, AND FRANKLY, THERE WAS JUST NO PLAN WITHIN THE PAST FIVE YEARS THAT SOMEONE EVER LOOKED AT REPLACING THOSE.
AS FAR AS THE POOLS, I JUST DON'T THINK THERE WAS EVER ONGOING MAINTENANCE THOUGHT OF PUTTING SALES TAX DOLLARS INTO UPGRADING THOSE POOLS AND KEEP THEM GOING WITH THE MONEY THAT WAS ALLOTTED.
THERE WAS JUST SO MANY OTHER REPAIRS THAT NEEDED TO BE DONE, AND IT JUST DIDN'T GET SHIFTED THAT WAY.
>> TIM, IS IT FAIR TO SAY THAT THE SWIMMING POOLS ARE NOT THE ONLY AREAS IN NEED OF ATTENTION IN THE HIGH SCHOOLS?
>> TO THE EXTENT THAT WE DIVERT SALES TAX FUNDS TO SWIMMING POOLS, THE OTHER AREAS THAT DO NEED ATTENTION ARE GOING TO BE DEFERRED AT BEST?
>> YES. MY BIGGEST AREA OF CONCERN IN THE HIGH SCHOOLS RIGHT NOW TO KEEP THEM OPERATIONAL AND OPEN IS THAT ALL THREE OF THOSE SCHOOLS, ONE IS GOING TO BE COMING BACK HERE EARLY JUNE FOR APPROVAL FROM THE BOARD FOR THE ELEVATOR PROJECT AT NORTH HIGH.
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WE CAN'T WAIT. THEN I FEAR THAT WITHIN THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS, WE'RE GOING TO BE ONE YEAR RIGHT AFTER THAT, COMING BACK WITH EAST AND WEST HIGH, AND THOSE ARE BIG TICKET DOLLARS.OUT OF A $1.5 MILLION SALES TAX BUDGET, THAT'S A THIRD OF IT.
WE HAVE TO DIVERT OTHER THINGS.
PARKING LOTS ARE IN DRASTIC NEED OF REPAIR AT THE HIGH SCHOOL LEVEL.
THOSE ARE BIG TICKET ITEMS. BOILERS ARE BIG TICKET ITEMS. WE CAN DEVOTE MONEY TOWARDS SOME OF THE THINGS LIKE POOLS, BUT IT'S JUST TAKEN AWAY FROM AREAS LIKE BOILERS AND SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE REALLY AGING THAT WE NEED TO UPGRADE.
>> LET'S KEEP FOCUS ON THE BOILERS.
IS THE AVERAGE LIFE EXPECTANCY OF A BOILER ABOUT 20 YEARS?
>> THAT'S FOR ANY BOILER, WHETHER IT'S THE POOL BOILERS OR JUST A REGULAR BOILER THAT FEEDS THE SCHOOL ITSELF?
>> YEAH. THAT'S WHAT WE'VE SEEN CATASTROPHIC FAILURE RATES AT IS THAT 20-YEAR MARK.
>> TYPICALLY, MY EXPERIENCE WITH BOILERS IS, AND I THINK THERE IS LIKE ONE POOL DOES HAVE TWO, BUT ONE'S NOT WORKING RIGHT NOW, IS THAT CORRECT?
>> IT'S LIKE BUILDINGS, WHICH USUALLY HAVE A SERIES OF BOILERS AND YOU DON'T REALLY DO ANYTHING UNTIL IT DIES, AND THEN YOU CHANGE IT OUT, AND THERE'S OTHERS TO CONTINUE TO HEAT WHAT NEEDS TO BE HEATED, BUT IN POOLS, THERE'S ONLY, I THINK ONE BUILDING THAT HAS TWO BOILERS AND ONE'S NOT WORKING.
WHEN IT DIES, THEN YOU HAVE TO REPLACE IT IN.
>> WHEN YOU GO TO REPLACE THE BOILERS NOW, ARE WE PUTTING MORE THAN ONE IN OR ARE WE JUST PUTTING ONE IN?
>> WELL, DEPENDS ON THE BUILDING, LIKE EAST HIGH WOULD HAVE A BANKER OF SIX BOILERS THAT ARE IN THERE.
WE WOULD REPLACE THOSE WHO WOULD PROBABLY BE SOMETHING WHERE YOU'D WANT TO SPREAD THOSE OUT A LITTLE BIT.
BUT GO TO OUR MIDDLE SCHOOLS, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU HAVE TWO BOILERS AND YOU'D REPLACE BOTH OF THOSE AT THE SAME TIME SO THAT YOU BOTH HAVE THEM ON THE SAME LIFE EXPECTANCY.
THE NEWER BOILERS DON'T LAST LIKE AN OLD COLONY BOILER THAT WAS PUT IN IN THE '70S.
THOSE ARE BULLETPROOF, BUT THEY GOT CHANGED OUT FOR A REASON.
THEY'RE VERY INEFFICIENT, AND I THINK EFFICIENCY WAS THE GOAL, SO THEY UPGRADED TO ALL THE BOILERS THROUGHOUT THE DISTRICT.
>> WE HAVE ABOUT 20 MINUTES HERE.
I THINK WE PROBABLY NEED TO TALK ABOUT THE LEASE AGREEMENT.
BECAUSE WE TALK ABOUT FIXING AND WE DO HAVE A LEASE PROPOSAL THAT MAY OR MAY NOT TAKE CARE OF SOME OF THE ISSUES WITH PAYING FOR THOSE, BUT THAT'S ANOTHER ISSUE TO TALK ABOUT.
THAT'S WHY WE HAVE IT IN FRONT OF US.
WHAT QUESTIONS DO YOU HAVE ABOUT THE LEASE AGREEMENT? CONCERNS, QUESTIONS? DIRECTOR WILMORE.
>> IT APPEARS THAT THE LEASE AGREEMENT IS ONLY FOR EAST AND NORTH AND NOT WEST AND THE LEASE PAYMENT QUOTE FOR THE 10-YEAR LEASE.
WE'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL OPERATING COSTS SO STILL APPROXIMATELY 50,000 A YEAR, AND THERE ARE NO OTHER FEES THAT COME IN FOR PARTICIPANTS, AND WE'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR STAFFING AND TAKING CARE OF ALL THOSE POOL MAINTENANCE ITEMS. IF ANYTHING DOES GO WRONG, WE'RE STILL ON THE HOOK, OTHER THAN THE INITIAL CAPITAL REPAIR COST FOR NORTH AND FOR EAST.
IS THAT MY UNDERSTANDING OF IT?
>> WE'RE STILL ON THE HOOK FOR $50,000.
BUT IF I LOOK AT THE FEES THAT WE'RE CHARGING, THAT'S ABOUT $9,000, WELL, I GUESS A LOT OF THAT'S GATE FEES, SO SOMEBODY WOULD STILL CHARGE THAT.
IT SEEMS TO ME THAT WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO BE NORTH OF $60,000 OF OUR ANNUAL COST.
IT'S GOING TO GO UP BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GETTING ANY FEES FROM IT.
>> IS THAT YOUR UNDERSTANDING OF THE LEASE AGREEMENT?
>> PAY THE THING. WE'RE ON THE HOOK FOR 10 YEARS, WITH NO ADDITIONAL FEES, PERIOD, FULL STOP, NOTHING.
>> I BELIEVE THAT'S CORRECT ACCORDING TO THIS LEASE AGREEMENT THAT WE HAVE HERE.
>> YEAH, THAT WOULD BE CORRECT.
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>> ANY REASON WHY TWO OUT OF THOSE THREE?
>> I BELIEVE AND I'M SPEAKING FROM THE KNOWLEDGE OF WHAT I KNOW OF IT, THAT THE TWO THAT ARE LEASED FOR THE SWIM CLUBS ARE THE INTEREST AND THEN BEING THE DISTRICT HAS SWIMMERS INVOLVED IN THE OTHER ONE, WE WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR IT.
>> YEAH, I THINK THAT'S A FAIR STATEMENT.
MY CONCERN ABOUT THE LEASE AGREEMENT IS REALLY THE LENGTH OF TIME, THE 10-YEAR COMMITMENT, I THINK THAT'S A LONG COMMITMENT FOR THE DISTRICT.
>> TWO CONCERNS I HAVE IS ECHOING LENGTH OF THE AGREEMENT AND TWO, IF FOR WHATEVER REASON, ONE POOL WOULD HAVE ANOTHER CATASTROPHIC FAILURE TO TIE IN THE SCHOOL DISTRICT TO HAVE TO PAY IT.
I HAVE SOME CONCERN ABOUT THAT.
THE POOLS ARE 53 YEARS OLD, FIVE YEARS, 58, 10 YEARS, YOU'RE TALKING 63-YEAR-OLD POOLS AND I BELIEVE DIRECTOR MYER HAD A GOOD POINT ABOUT BASICALLY THE FOUNDATIONAL PART OF THE POOLS AND STUFF.
IT'S GOOD TO KNOW THAT THEY APPEAR TO BE.
BUT LET'S SAY YOU DO HAVE THAT CATASTROPHIC ELECTRICAL FAILURE CAUSED BY WATER AT EAST HIGH REGARDLESS, THAT WOULD REALLY TIE THE SCHOOL IN TO HAVE TO DO SOMETHING AND DIRECT FUNDS AWAY FROM OTHER JUST AS IMPORTANT PROJECTS THAT NEED TO BE DONE.
THOSE ARE MY TWO CONCERNS IS LENGTH AND THE CATASTROPHIC PART.
>> I SHARE THOSE CONCERNS AND THE OTHER CONCERN I HAVE ALSO INTO THE PERMANENT STRUCTURE AND PERMANENT CONFIGURATION FOR THESE POOLS, AND OBLIGATION TO SOMEONE OTHER THAN THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.
WE DON'T KNOW IF SOMETHING HAPPENED TO ONE OF THE HIGH SCHOOLS THAT WE WOULD HOLD THE HIGH SCHOOL IN THE SAME WAY OR IN THE SAME LOCATION.
WE MAY OVER TIME, EVENTUALLY DO SOME SUBSTANTIAL.
WHEN YOU TALK DREAM MOTIVATION, I APPRECIATE WE ALREADY HAVE EXTENDED OURSELVES ON SALES TAX FUNDING [INAUDIBLE] AT SOME POINT THE QUESTION IS, WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT [INAUDIBLE] AND THEN WE'LL BE SITTING HERE WITH SOMEONE [INAUDIBLE] CO-OWNER. WHEN I SAY CO-OWNER, HAVING AWARDED SUBSTANTIAL PROPERTY RIGHTS TO SOMEONE OTHER THAN THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AND THE PUBLIC ITSELF, IT TROUBLES ME BECAUSE I'M NOT SURE THAT WE WOULDN'T HAVE CHANGES IN EITHER THE CONFIGURATION OR THE LOCATION OR SOMETHING ELSE THAT WE MIGHT DO IF POSSIBLE WITH THE HIGH SCHOOL BUILDINGS.
I'M NOT REALLY READY TO COMMIT TO BEING TIED DOWN BY A LONG TERM AGREEMENT WITH OUTSIDE ACTIVITIES OR OUTSIDE GROUPS.
>> THANK YOU, MR. M.K. MR. PRESIDENT?
>> DIRECTOR REMO. I WOULD AGREE WITH, AND ECHO MR. M.K'S POINTS.
EFFECTIVELY HAVE A CO-OWNER FOR THOSE FACILITIES FOR THE NEXT TEN YEARS WHERE WE'VE SITED CONTROL.
EFFECTIVELY, DURING THESE TIME FRAMES, THEY LIST ON THEIR TIMES NEEDED OPEN EXHIBIT A.
WE EFFECTIVELY HAVE SITED CONTROL OF PUBLIC PROPERTY DURING THOSE TIME FRAMES.
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I'M A LITTLE BIT TROUBLED BY WE HAVE TO RE-STAFF IT, WE HAVE TO REPAIR IT, WE HAVE TO MAINTAIN IT, AND WE HAVE TO GRANT ACCESS TO ONLY THE EXCLUSIVE USE TO THOSE GROUPS.THAT'S SITING CONTROL OF PUBLIC PROPERTY, OF FAIRLY SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OVER A LONG PERIOD OF TIME.
I'M REALLY NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THAT.
>> DIRECTOR, IS THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS REGARDING THE LEASE?
>> I APPRECIATE THE ENDEAVOR BY THE CLUB TEAMS TO HAVE THIS ATHLETIC OPPORTUNITY AVAILABLE TO YOUNG PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY.
FRANKLY, IF THERE WAS A WAY TO SUGGEST TO THEM, DEPENDING ON THE GROUND, NONE OF THE OTHER PLACES [INAUDIBLE] COMPETITIONS.
I WAS INVOLVED WITH THE AFTERSHOCKS AND THEN THEIR COMPETITIONS, THAT'S BEEN A LOT.
I GUESS, A LOT OF YEARS, AT LEAST MORE THAN 15 YEARS AGO NOW.
EVERY PLACE WE WENT, THERE'S A COMMUNITY POOL ARRANGEMENT WHERE THE COMPETITION IS.
YOU GO UP TO FEW CENTERS, THEY HAVE A BEAUTIFUL CO-ARRANGEMENT WITH DORDT AND SIOUXCITY THAT PROVIDES BY FAR IN A WAY, THE MOST PREMIER LOCATION FOR SWIMMING CONTESTS, AND CERTAINLY FOR SWIMMING PRACTICE.
YOU GO OVER TO DARTFORD, THEY HAVE A COMMUNITY CENTER.
THEY'RE NOT OPENING UP THEIR HIGH SCHOOLS.
I'M NOT SAYING THAT WE WOULDN'T EVER PROVIDE COMMUNITY SUPPORT.
I'M JUST SAYING THE OTHER COMMUNITIES AROUND IT ARE ALL SOLVING THIS PROBLEM IN A DIFFERENT WAY.
AS WE LISTEN TO WHAT GOES ON AT THE CITY LEVEL, WE'RE BRINGING IN WATER PARKS AND ALL THESE OTHER KINDS OF OPPORTUNITIES WHERE IF THE CLUB TEAMS WOULD GET ENGAGED WITH THE CITY, PERHAPS THERE'S A WAY TO HAVE A REALLY SIGNIFICANT PREMIER SITE FOR NOT ONLY TO PRACTICE, BUT ALSO FOR THE COMPETITIONS THAT THEY HAVE OVER VARIOUS WEEKENDS DURING THE SEASON.
THEN AT THE SAME TIME, WE ALSO HAVE OPPORTUNITIES SUCH AS THE [INAUDIBLE] SIDE, IF THERE WAS ANY ENTRANCE ROUTE TO THE CITY, AND SOME COLLABORATIVE EFFORT TO EITHER IMPROVE, EXPAND OR WHATEVER, BUT THERE IS A POOL LOCATION THERE.
WE ALSO HAVE A VERY SIGNIFICANT YHCA WITH A BEAUTIFUL FACILITY JUST ACROSS THE RIVER IN OUR METRO AREA.
IT SEEMS TO ME, THERE ARE A LOT OF GOOD COMMUNITY SOLUTIONS THAT REQUIRE OUR SCHOOL DISTRICT TO TIE DOWN OUR PROPERTIES TO PROVIDE THE SUPPORT.
WE'RE NOT AGAINST IT, AND I WOULD LIKE TO SUGGEST TO THOSE CLUB TEAMS THAT THEY SHOULD BE ADVOCATING TO THE CITY COUNCIL TO DO SOMETHING TO LOOK AT LEAST AS GOOD AS OUR NEIGHBORING CITIES THAT ARE NOT NEARLY AS LARGE AS WE WHO SEEM TO HAVE ADDRESSED THIS QUESTION AND HANDLED IT IN A DIFFERENT WAY.
THAT'S WHAT I WOULD HOPE THEY COULD TAKE OUT OF THIS CONVERSATION.
WE'RE NOT AGAINST IT, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE THINK IT NEEDS TO BE A COMMUNITY SOLUTION, NOT A SCHOOL DISTRICT SOLUTION. THAT'S ALL I HAVE.
>> THANK YOU, DIRECTOR MK. MR. PRESIDENT, VERY SHORTLY.
WE HAVE THREE HIGH SCHOOLS THAT ARE OVER 50 YEARS OLD.
ESTIMATED REPLACEMENT COST, 150 MILLION EACH.
WE HAVE THREE MIDDLE SCHOOLS, ABOUT 35 YEARS OLD.
MY ELECTRICAL LICENSE HAS NOT COME IN THE MAIL AS FAR AS THAT, BUT I THINK AFTER ABOUT A THIRD OF A CENTURY, THERE'S CERTAIN CHANGES THAT NEED TO BE MADE, CERTAIN UPGRADES.
IN THE MEANTIME, WE HAVE A BUDGET DEFICIT AS FAR AS WE CAN TELL, AND OF COURSE, IF THINGS CHANGE BECAUSE WE'RE NOT TOO SURE WHAT THE LEGISLATURE DID IN EVERYTHING YET, BUT A $4 MILLION DEFICIT MORE OR LESS AND ON THE SCALE OF THINGS.
I THINK THE POOLS DON'T COME HIGHER THAN JUST PROVIDING FOR THE EDUCATION OF OUR STUDENTS.
>> DIRECTOR, IS THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS? QUESTIONS? DIRECTOR REMO DO YOU HAVE ANY LAST WORDS?
>> YES, I DO. JUST LIKE TO THANK THE ORGANIZATIONS FOR ENGAGING. DAN, THANK YOU.
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WE JUST NEED DIRECTION, WOULD WE LIKE TO SEE CHANGES TO THIS LEASE? WE JUST NEED SOME DIRECTION FROM THE BOARD ON WHAT ARE THE POSSIBILITIES OR NOT POSSIBILITIES.>> EAST IS CURRENTLY CLOSED, IS THAT CORRECT?
>>YES. EAST IS CURRENTLY CLOSED.
>> AND WE AREN'T PLANNING TO BRING IT BACK OPEN AGAIN, RIGHT NOW, IS THAT CORRECT? THE MIC'S NOT ON.
>> WE WON'T BE ABLE TO UNTIL THE BOILER IS REPLACED.
WE CAN'T MAKE TEMPERATURE ON THE WATER OF THE POOL.
THAT WOULD NEED TO BE REPLACED RIGHT AWAY.
>> IF SOMETHING HAPPENED TO ONE OF THE OTHER SCHOOLS WHERE WE HAD A, NOT A CATASTROPHIC, BUT IT JUST DOESN'T WORK.
WOULD OUR INTENTION BE TO SHUTTER IT SIMILAR TO EAST? AND SAY IN THE NEXT 12 MONTHS, WOULD WE INTEND TO.
>> THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. WE NEED TO HAVE AT LEAST A POOL FOR OUR HIGH SCHOOL PROGRAM TO OPERATE.
>> 20, YEAH. RIGHT NOW, WE'RE COMMITTED TO A SHARING AGREEMENT.
HOW MANY TOTAL KIDS DO WE HAVE? IF YOU INCLUDE OUTSIDE SCHOOLS TOO.
IT COULD BE ANYWHERE FROM 25 TO, I MEAN, IT COULD BE 15 TO 30.
YOU NEVER KNOW. EVERY YEAR IS A NEW YEAR.
>> OUTSIDE STUDENTS, ANYWHERE FROM WELL, A DOZEN ALL THE WAY UP TO 20, FROM THE OUTSIDE.
>> THANK YOU. 47 KIDS THIS YEAR.
>> ONLY HALF OF THEM ARE OURS.
>> I GUESS RIGHT NOW, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE DO.
WE DON'T REALLY HAVE A CONTINGENCY PLAN OTHER THAN WE'LL TRY TO KEEP ONE OF THEM OPEN, NORTH OR WEST.
>> AND RIGHT NOW, THEY'RE BOTH OPERATIONAL.
>> WEST AND NORTH OR BOTH OPERATIONAL.
>> AND TO GET EAST OPERATIONAL, IT'D BE REPLACE THE BOILER AT BALL PARK.
>> IT WAS 48,000 FOR THE BOILER.
>> PLUS INSTALLATION, SO $65,000.
>> RIGHT AROUND THAT 100 MARK TO GET EVERYTHING DONE.
>> 20 FOR THE INSTALL, [INAUDIBLE].
>> SINCE THIS IS A WORK SESSION, WE'RE NOT MAKING ANY DECISIONS.
>> NO, WE'RE NOT MAKING ANY DECISIONS.
I JUST WAS LOOKING FOR A DIRECTION. THANK YOU.
>> I THINK WE HAVE CONCLUDED THIS WORK SESSION.
AND THE WORK SESSION, I DON'T KNOW.
>> PERMISSION TO ADJOURN THE WORK SESSION?
>> MOTION TO ADJOURN THE WORK SESSION SESSION.
WE HAVE A FIRST BY DIRECTOR GREENWELL AND SECOND BY MR. MEYERS.
THIS WORK SESSION IS ADJOURNED.
WE'LL BE BACK IN ABOUT SIX, SEVEN MINUTES FOR THE START OF THE
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